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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby rec9140 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:35 am

ed@Mint wrote:Ok, i know that there's a lot of persons that won't agree with me, but i wanted to try to clarify what i meant.
This even appears to be some sterile debate (for instance, rec9140 seems to have a pretty much firm opinion about cd vs dvd).
This thread was originally created to suggest some *particular* apps, so let's stop polluting it with this and, if really needed, create another thread :wink:


You can't ask what software etc. should be included unless you have decided CD or DVD.

I am afraid its time to agree to disagree and that its clear that LM KDE and I are not on the same path and its time to part ways. Its too bad, because LM KDE solved a lot of issues for me, to the point I installed it and switched cold turkey.

Its clear that based on some replies that appear to have inside info CD is the direction, one app/one task and some other things.

Its been great, but its clear its time to move on.
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Fred on Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:54 am

rec9140,

Don't make hasty decisions based on a theoretical debate my friend. Boo seemed to do a pretty good job last time, I think. Certainly better than most, don't you think?

There is no reason to believe he will suddenly do an about face and put out a rotten distro that deserves to be dumped, is there?

Everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt. Especially someone like Boo that worked so hard and did a very good job on the last release, and just seems to be looking in all directions for ways to improve even more.

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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Zwopper on Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:06 am

New features...
How about making a MintAssistant for KDE, something like Pardus "Kaptan Desktop"
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby miltonjohn on Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:02 am

i think gparted has to be instead of qtparted
gparted is the better choice!

greetings

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@ zwopper

i had a look to pardus too, i liked it also but too less packages i want to have
besides if the kaptan-mint-thing is not a must-to-do to get a install it might be ok - if it has to be- better leave mintinstall like it is!
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby LostOverThere on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:47 am

We want to stay away from GTK+ platforms so we don't have to include the Gnome Tool Kit in the release.

And something like Kaptans desktop would be awesome!
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Fredrik2000 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:04 am

I thought of posting a few suggestions myself. Note that i'm not so good with computers and Linux so i don't know if some of my suggestions are even possible and many are similar or duplicates from other suggestions. :? But here we go....

Some changes...
*Replace the MPlayer gui with SMPlayer which integrates better in KDE, maybe even remove kaffeine?
*Use Synaptic instead of Adept.

Appearance and feel...
*Use a brighter theme and a ”fresh” background, Cassandra had some great wallpapers. And there are some great artists on the forum who could do this e.g. Darkstar, Zwopper, Jernau (sorry if I forgot someone)
*Using a Mint Konqueror background, like Kubutu has. (details are very important)
*Changing the Vista lookalike window theme. The Kubuntu theme is better but not perfect.
*Use Cleanus system sounds instead of KDE native sounds.http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Cleanus?content=61245

I also agree with using the Kaptan Desktop instead of MintAssistant.

Anyway it's important for a distro to create an own identity and Linux Mint KDE CE is on it's way there. It is a really good distro and i'm amased how Boo did a better job than the Kubuntu team of integrating the KDE desktop on the Ubuntu base. Just keep up with the good work :D
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby ed@Mint on Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:14 pm

I'd like to react a bit about Synaptic since several people already asked to replace Adept with it.
I apologize in advance since i might flame a little about this :wink:

I mean what the h*** is that for ?

First, Synaptic is GTK, Adept is Qt so there should not even need any further development.

Second, Adept's tag system is much more powerful to find the apps you're looking for.

Third, since you are used to Synaptic, i presume you're coming from Ubuntu or at least a Gnome-based environment.
If you're not willing to put any effort into making the *tiny* adjustments needed to switch from Gnome to KDE, then keep using gnome (i warned you i might flame :P )

Fourth, if it is because you find synaptic easier to use than adept, you already got the add/remove program application :roll:

And fifth, for those who suggested to just *add* synaptic in the menu, that would give 3 different packages managers (and i'm not even counting the APT CLI interface, or even aptitude). That makes *no* sense to me.

Allright, this is it.
Once again, sorry for the rude tone of this, but seeing that make my hair stitch out (dunno if i'm correct on that expression)

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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Fredrik2000 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:06 pm

Sorry if I angered you, I just think that Synaptic is easier and more logical to use than Adept, and I don't wanna have 2 Adept programs.
My reference comes from PCLinuxOS wich uses Synaptic as their standard packge manager and that looks just fine for me. http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/QuickStartSynaptic

Linux Mint KDE CE has a long way left if it's gonna dump the GTK support, or should i say KDE?
Or is there another reason why we should avoid GTK?
But as I stated in my previous post, I am not that good with computers this is just a suggestion from my personnel experience with linux.
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby ed@Mint on Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:51 pm

Fredrik2000,

This was not especially addressed to *you*. :wink:
As i mentioned, it is due to *several* requests for adept.

Still waiting for a fail in the arguments i showed.

Anyway, you should almost never use programs like adept and synaptic since there's mintupdate for the updates, and the software portal for new software.

If somebody *really* doesn't like adept (some people are bold-minded :P )
Then let him install it by himself.
But i clearly can't find a valid reason to replace adept by synaptic *by default*.

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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Zwopper on Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:54 pm

ed@Mint wrote:Fredrik2000,

This was not especially addressed to *you*. :wink:
As i mentioned, it is due to *several* requests for adept.

Still waiting for a fail in the arguments i showed.

Anyway, you should almost never use programs like adept and synaptic since there's mintupdate for the updates, and the software portal for new software.

If somebody *really* doesn't like adept (some people are bold-minded :P )
Then let him install it by himself.
But i clearly can't find a valid reason to replace adept by synaptic *by default*.

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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby ed@Mint on Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:07 pm

Zwopper wrote:Once again I'm totally behind you! 8)

Thanks a lot Zwopper :)
It's nice too see i'm not crazy :mrgreen:
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Fred on Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:52 pm

Crazy?.... Did I hear someone say crazy? Was someone calling me? :-)

Crazy Fred

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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Fredrik2000 on Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:09 am

Everybody has their personal taste in programs and yours is clearly Adept over Synaptic :) Some people like me and many others prefers Synaptic.
But as you said, if one want to install Synaptic over Adept thats fine, linux is all about choice :wink:

And the software portal still lacks programs to replace a real package manager, but it is a good initiative.
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby LostOverThere on Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:00 pm

Some changes...
*Replace the MPlayer gui with SMPlayer which integrates better in KDE, maybe even remove kaffeine?
*Use Synaptic instead of Adept.

Appearance and feel...
*Use a brighter theme and a ”fresh” background, Cassandra had some great wallpapers. And there are some great artists on the forum who could do this e.g. Darkstar, Zwopper, Jernau (sorry if I forgot someone)
*Using a Mint Konqueror background, like Kubutu has. (details are very important)
*Changing the Vista lookalike window theme. The Kubuntu theme is better but not perfect.
*Use Cleanus system sounds instead of KDE native sounds.http://www.kde-look.org/content/ ... tent=61245

I also agree with using the Kaptan Desktop instead of MintAssistant.

Anyway it's important for a distro to create an own identity and Linux Mint KDE CE is on it's way there. It is a really good distro and i'm amased how Boo did a better job than the Kubuntu team of integrating the KDE desktop on the Ubuntu base. Just keep up with the good work :D


I completely agree with the programs and themeing, however I much prefer Adept to Synaptic. Also Fred, the reason we're avoiding GTK+ programs is two reasons, 1) we're a kde (thus qt) desktop. If you have a mix of QT and GTK+ libraries you system slows down greatly seeing you have 2 sets of libraries opened. 2) If possible, we want to not include the GTK+ toolkit to save space on the CD (so we can have a CD and not a DVD).

But don't worry, as soon as someone downloads the GIMP or any other program that uses GTK+, it will download GTK+ as well.
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Fredrik2000 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm

Ok I get it :)
But as you said it's hard to avoid GTK completely, but you have to start somewhere :P
Anyway you could argue about Adept vs Synaptic for ages, just as KDE vs Gnome, Mercedes vs BMW, black vs red socks, etc.


....But then again, most people would find red socks with a black suit kinda awkward, but there are always exceptions :mrgreen:
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby a2olson on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:58 pm

I have been using the mini version for a couple of months It's been fine . thru in koffice that is a knock out, but I don't use it. thru it out, I tried iit to see the text impact on krita. That was the the deal breaker for me "krita" is the program of most kritical importance to me.
What to have. All the help files possible. A program that would suggest possible downloads from the repos that might solve your problem.
It's moving time throw out what isn't Kritical.
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Theo on Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:57 am

As features for Elyssa, in my opinion the combination of Kphotoalbum and digikam setup with a combined annotation database would be a perfect solution.
Searching and organizing in 10.000+ pictures works well, much more possibilities than with picasa and it does integrate nicely with KDE.

And it would be nice to have the extra gimp plugins for photo manipulation standard installed :-)

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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby Fred on Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:40 pm

Boo,

I know this thread has centered on program choices, but the thread title does say. "New features for Elyssa KDE."

I would like to see the KDE version as well as the Gnome version go to "LABEL" instead of "UUID" as partition identifiers. I think it would be a good step as "LABEL" has some distinct advantages over "UUID" as an identifier. After all, "LABEL" doesn't change every time you tamper with a partition or the quarter of the moon changes.

This would go a long way to remedy the "UUID" hell that many users experience, without giving up all the name collision advantages of using partition identifiers in a mixed and changing storage environment.

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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby locutus on Wed May 07, 2008 10:10 am

I just saw this category, minutes after suggesting two new things in the "Suggestions and New Ideas" forum. They are:

Extra mouse buttons:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=12250

and a new Mint tool:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=12251
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Re: New features for Elyssa KDE

Postby rfpa on Mon May 12, 2008 5:18 pm

Any news concerning Linux 5 KDE CE?
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