Fred wrote:All this talk of gourmet food is making me hungry. What time should I be there for a free meal. lol
I will of course have to eat with Fedora first, to get the strength to make it all the way to AK.
EDIT: A shameless attempt to get a dinner invitation and a free, as in money, meal.
aviynw wrote:I still think that these suggestions SHOULD be told to the linux mint team as opposed to, or maybe in addition to, the xorg or pulseaudio team. I am certainly no expert, but wouldn't these issues be a matter of making a script and a gui? Does pulseaudio development even deal with gui stuff? If it was fitting for fedora to add such a script to handle xorg I don't see why it wouldn't be a fitting job for us as well.
I also disagree with several points about what the purpose of linux should be. Many people here seem to think that whatever it should be, it should attempt to drag people into developing for it. To the point that if you are not willing to develop for it you are not welcome to use it. To the point that the creation of gui tools is bad because then people won't learn how to develop for linux. Even if someone doesn't contribute in any sort of way I still think they should still be welcomed to use it. When I help people on forums it isn't because I want them to eventually help linux later on, and when I ask for help I don't ask with that intent. Ubuntu translates from zulu as "humanity to others", I think that's what it should all be about. In that light, If someone makes a suggestion with no intention to contribute, that request should still be heard.
I remember reading a review of linux mint that depicted that it as a distribution that really listened to user feedback. It said something along the lines of, “you can make a suggestion today and literally see it be included in the next release.” So far my experience suggests otherwise, I hope that isn't the case. Whatever the reality is, all should be aware of that reality, and if you disagree with the community's purpose you belong in a different community.
You are certainly welcome to your opinions and so far you havent really said anything that particularly bothers me, but how is it that you deem yourself being the community spokesman against ak dave when most of us agree with him? Why dont you just learn how to use Linux? Eventually it will get easier, we are all working towards that goal, but you need to keep in mind the fact that this is a different OS that has very deep roots (unix).
TerminusEst wrote:I'm not the community spokesman, and I like the way Linux is built up. As one example, editing a text file is far easier and enjoyable job than editing some registry. But I remember the days when Windows itself also had text files to edit the configs of the system and of the programs. Then, 'cause of technical issues, they created the registry to unify the way to edit those config files. It was wonderful! After that, they screwed up the registry creating those CLSI or something like that. Since this moment the registry became a painful way to edit something on Windows. I prefer the text files and, I think so, most people will find easier to edit a text and humanly (humanly? Not sure if this is the correct way to write it) readable file than the Windows registry. What I'm trying to say is that Windows evolves, though it evolves badly sometimes. I hate Windows myself. I have seen that BSOD more times than the very Bill Gates. And the installation process... oh! God, I think that installation screen has been burned on my retines, 'cause I see it everywhere. In truth, I do not know why Windows has became what it is today. It should have been OS/2 or Mac OS, they are so superior.
I understand, from what I read, that you are afraid of Linux becoming just a Windows clone. This is not my goal. Take Mac OS: it is friendly like Windows (IMO far more friendly) and have the strenghts of the Unix systems. Can you say it is just a clone of Windows? If you someday took a kext file on your hands you won't say that. Linux won't be ruined if, someday who knows, there be a GUI for every command it has on CLI. Why not? If someone here wants a Linux that doesn't have these tools, but just a CLI, well we know there are more Linux distros out there than ants in the world. Some of them will be the way you like. If you don't like a friendly OS, man you are wasting time using Mint, 'cause it IS friendly. The most friendly Linux I have seen in my entire life (no, I don't think Suse of Fedora are more friendly).
Lastly, but not less important, I would like to apologize for the way I acted on my previous post with AK DAVE. Sorry for that.
Thx in advance.
These are my least favourite threads - two very opposite views and the arguments just going round and round.
D) recommend Fedora's feature be adopted into Xorg itself and from there be rolled out to everyone who uses linux. Mmmm... I think 'D' is the answer.
FedoraRefugee wrote:Can I ask a stupid question?
Exactly who is arguing for command line usage here?
Guest wrote:FedoraRefugee wrote:Can I ask a stupid question?
Exactly who is arguing for command line usage here?
To me its like having a passenger car and a truck. The car will get you around most of the time but when you have to move that load of manure its good to have the truck. A GUI is similar, its often neat fast and fun but it has its limits, that when the command lines comes in real handy. Enjoy
AK Dave wrote:So which of you two is going to volunteer to do this?
aviynw wrote:I never said I had the expertise to do it. I sense from your comment you think it is ungrateful of us to make a requests like this when we are not contributing an equal share to the distribution. Just because someone makes a request doesn't mean they are not grateful. Neither of us were demanding it or claimed that the mint devs owe us it. It was simply a request.
AK Dave wrote:But we do encourage suggestions.
All I was doing that started this flurry of discontention was to point out, quite reasonably I thought, that the two specific suggestions made (while totally valid) would be best handled by the respective application development teams and not Mint.
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