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No KDE Celena. onto Daryna

Postby Boo on Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:18 pm

Due to Gutsy Gibbon being released in 2 weeks we have decided to not release KDE Celena.

I am spending my time porting mint applications to KDE and looking into KDE4.

I hope to have more, if not all, mint applications for KDE Daryna.

We all want Daryna KDE to be fully minted so I hope you all don't mind the skipping of Celena KDE.

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Postby Jinnai on Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:28 am

waiting for my new HD anyway...maybe by then KDE4 will be a viable option.
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Postby kanishka on Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:43 am

Right decision man! 8)
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Postby linuxviolin on Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:47 am

Jinnai wrote:maybe by then KDE4 will be a viable option.

Not sure. KDE4 will probably not be stable enough, it will be necessary to await 4.1 or 4.2 undoubtedly. :roll:
I believe besides that many distribs will not include it immediately…
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Postby westertd on Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:54 pm

That is the right move!
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kde fully minted

Postby dracorX on Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:00 am

Sorry, I only have kde version, and don't know what the mint tools are exactly. Are they something like control panel style for the system, not only for kde?

That would be nice.

I think yast is now open source - one could take a look there how one can hook those tools into kcontrol, which would have the effect of everything being all together at one place?

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Postby LostOverThere on Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:18 pm

dracorX look on the rest of the Linux Mint site. You'll see what they are. They're things like mintUpload, which allows you to right click on a file and upload it to the server instantly. :)

I'd actually go include KDE4 when it comes out.

Reasons:

    1) KDE goes through a stage called "BETA Testing" like most software [/sarcasm]. The bugs the dont pick up will generally be minor.
    2) KDE4 would be a GREAT way to increase Mints popularity. Think, Kubuntu wont have KDE4 until 8.10 and OpenSuSE 10.3 just came out so the next release wont be for awhile. People will want KDE4, or be curious to say the least. I suggest you work hard on getting it into the next release so people think "Hmm...I want KDE4, Hey, Linux Mint is including it, I'll give that a go".
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Postby Boo on Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:34 pm

Progress report.

so far i have converted mintDisk and mintAssistant to install and work with mint KDE.

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Postby akshunj on Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:15 pm

LostOverThere wrote:dracorX look on the rest of the Linux Mint site. You'll see what they are. They're things like mintUpload, which allows you to right click on a file and upload it to the server instantly. :)

I'd actually go include KDE4 when it comes out.

Reasons:

    1) KDE goes through a stage called "BETA Testing" like most software [/sarcasm]. The bugs the dont pick up will generally be minor.
    2) KDE4 would be a GREAT way to increase Mints popularity. Think, Kubuntu wont have KDE4 until 8.10 and OpenSuSE 10.3 just came out so the next release wont be for awhile. People will want KDE4, or be curious to say the least. I suggest you work hard on getting it into the next release so people think "Hmm...I want KDE4, Hey, Linux Mint is including it, I'll give that a go".


I disagree there, Siskel. I give that idea two thumbs down. :)

Kidding aside, I'm not sure the bugs in KDE4's initial release will be so minor. KDE itself might be stable, but it has an UNPRECEDENTED number of hooks into the mainline OS. This is something really new to KDE, and I'm not sure they have a reputation for conservative, stable releases.

Also, releasing Mint with KDE will most certainly bring A LOT of exposure. Now consider what that exposure will look like if KDE4 is buggy? Exactly. I know how you feel, though...

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Postby akshunj on Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:27 pm

Boo wrote:Progress report.

so far i have converted mintDisk and mintAssistant to install and work with mint KDE.

:D


Boo, I think you've got a unique opportunity coming up here with Daryna. Kubuntu sucks. Seriously. And there are only a few KDE-based distros that are alive and kicking. Suse is becoming desktop agnostic (given it's Novell/Gnome roots, I think this will change), and that really just leaves PCLinuxOS and Mepis. Check out this article about Kubuntu and why it's a disappointment.

A tight release with Mint customizations would really set Mint apart from all of it's competitors. A bit of advice: Please don't be slavish to KDE apps. I don't mean to imply that you have done this, since you obviously included Firefox and Open Office in the previous release. But just keep in mind that sometimes the right tool for the job may be a GTK2 app. Or a QT app.

What can *we* as a supportive community do?

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Postby Boo on Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:33 pm

with apps in mind the most helpful thing the community can do is suggest what apps to include into KDE mint. I am lazy when it comes to finding apps to use or better ones.

Suggest best of breed apps (and give a reason).

eg I think F-spot is the best photo tool, I love the folder structure it creates when importing photos/images.
F-spot is a GTK2 app and may get included into Daryna.

sometimes there may be double ups of similar applications due to dependencies or bundling of multiple apps into one deb. eg digikam and f-spot.

We all want Mint to be the best distro no matter what DE is used so please give some input. And remember mint KDE has a lot of space on the DVD that can be filled.

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Postby linuxviolin on Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:37 am

Boo wrote:F-spot is a GTK2 app and may get included into Daryna.

Please no. F-spot is based on Mono, I don't want Mono :twisted:
It exists other good photo tools... :roll:

Boo wrote:We all want Mint to be the best distro no matter what DE is used so please give some input.

Yes but sometimes it are not always good to mix both desktops. For example K3b in Gnome is almost as to make turn both desktops at the same time because it is very dependent on KDE. Not a good idea for everyone… :roll:

akshunj wrote:A bit of advice: Please don't be slavish to KDE apps.

hmm... In a KDE Desktop we must privilege KDE apps like in a Gnome Desktop we must privilege Gnome apps (e.g Exaile in place of Amarok)
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Postby Boo on Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:58 am

I had a little play with mintUpdate today and it looks like it will work with only minor changes. (one word in one file).

more testing required though.

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Postby Fintan on Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:21 am

Thanks boo, good move :)

As far as Kubuntu sucking I simply have to disagree and anyone who takes that article as a reference should maybe read a bit more.
Besides Gutsy is still in beta and there are bound to be issues.
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NEW MENU

Postby frank392 on Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:22 pm

Please we need to change the menu, is horrible. why not keep the original kde menu.

please no more tastymenu:
http://www.notmart.org/tastymenu/index.html
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Postby BlahBlah_X on Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:25 pm

I actually suggest using the kickoff menu.

Here is a svn source for it:

http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/suse_kickoff/
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Re: NEW MENU

Postby akshunj on Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:32 am

frank392 wrote:Please we need to change the menu, is horrible. why not keep the original kde menu.

please no more tastymenu:
http://www.notmart.org/tastymenu/index.html


Sorry, but the original KDE menu is a jumbled mess. Any customized solution would be an improvement.
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Postby linuxviolin on Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:32 am

frank392 wrote:Please we need to change the menu, is horrible. why not keep the original kde menu.

please no more tastymenu

I agree with you frank392, I don't like the tastyMenu too... :wink:
I also agree for the original KDE menu, not kickoff......... :)

akshunj wrote:the original KDE menu is a jumbled mess.

hmm... that is only your opinion. No jumbled mess for me, just simplicity and effectiveness :lol:
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Postby akshunj on Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:46 am

linuxviolin wrote:I agree with you frank392, I don't like the tastyMenu too... :wink:
I also agree for the original KDE menu, not kickoff......... :)

akshunj wrote:the original KDE menu is a jumbled mess.

hmm... that is only your opinion. No jumbled mess for me, just simplicity and effectiveness :lol:


You're right. It's just my opinion. No more (or less) valid than anyone else's. Let's just remember that there are some core Mint philosophies here. I think one of them is a customized "start" menu. I could care less whether it is Tasty or Kickoff, or some other solution.
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Postby linuxviolin on Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:48 am

akshunj wrote:No more (or less) valid than anyone else's

Yes of course :D

akshunj wrote:Let's just remember that there are some core Mint philosophies here. I think one of them is a customized "start" menu

Yes customized but not Tasty for me... I don't like very much Kickoff either. Maybe we should think at another thing, perhaps unique and specific to this distro. Moreover that could give it a specific and distinctive character of the others KDE distros :lol:
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