All you old geezers check this one out..

[colyn]

Kubuntu 10.10 goes back in time.

http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/cdimages/index.html

[LindseyD.]

Ah! Makes me nostalgic for a desktop that worked.

[MALsPa]

KDE3/Trinity can be installed alongside KDE4.x with no problems.

https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Lucid

http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html

If this can be done in Lucid, seems to me that the same steps could be used in the Mint 9 (Isadora) KDE version -- or in the main (GNOME) Isadora version, for that matter, even for people like me who have added KDE4 to it.

[Andy Axnot]

I have Trinity KDE 3.5.12 installed on LM 10 (Julia). Works just fine!

Andy

[chiefjim]

I have Trinity KDE 3.5.12 installed on LM 10 (Julia). Works just fine!

Andy

Perhaps it should be obvious but at the moment I have to ask how? Would like to evaluate the KDE 3.5.12 desktop

[Andy Axnot]

The instructions are here:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ubu ... ation.html

Basically there are three steps detailed at that site:
1) add four lines to etc/apt/sources.list; I did this with a text editor
2) Add the GPG signing key; cut and paste a line into the terminal
3) copy and paste two apt-get lines into terminal to install KDE 3.5; this takes some time to download and install about 250 MB or so.

HTH,

Andy

[Elisa]

I din't get it exactly
What's the reason I do should install KDE 3.5 trinity, can someone explain ? Thanx

[tdockery97]

I din't get it exactly
What's the reason I do should install KDE 3.5 trinity, can someone explain ? Thanx

Many KDE users consider 3.5 as the last "good" version of KDE.

[Elisa]

well, "good" is too general term due there are surely some improvements in the latest KDE. I just got from the 1st look, that trinity has older Start-menu system (like in Windows so - no, no, I do not like it )

[MALsPa]

I din't get it exactly
What's the reason I do should install KDE 3.5 trinity, can someone explain ? Thanx

Many KDE users consider 3.5 as the last "good" version of KDE.

I've still got KDE 3.5 installed in Mepis 8, but I have KDE4 in Mint and in PCLOS. I loved KDE 3.5, but after a few months with KDE4 under by belt, I see to reason to bother with Trinity.

[chiefjim]

The instructions are here:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ubu ... ation.html

Basically there are three steps detailed at that site:
1) add four lines to etc/apt/sources.list; I did this with a text editor
2) Add the GPG signing key; cut and paste a line into the terminal
3) copy and paste two apt-get lines into terminal to install KDE 3.5; this takes some time to download and install about 250 MB or so.

HTH,

Andy

OK, I did that. But instead of LM 10 I wound up with Kubuntu.

[colyn]

OK, I did that. But instead of LM 10 I wound up with Kubuntu.

Did you download the live CD? The link to the live CD is there for those who want to download Kubuntu with KDE 3.5

If you only added the lines you should only download the KDE desktop.

Try this link instead. http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html

[LindseyD.]

I din't get it exactly
What's the reason I do should install KDE 3.5 trinity, can someone explain ? Thanx

Many KDE users consider 3.5 as the last "good" version of KDE.

A lot of functionality was lost in KDE4. People who never used 3.5 wouldn't miss it, but for those of used to Konqueror as the "Swiss-army knife of applications," (for example) KDE4 is a lot of bling and a lot of frustration.

[Andy Axnot]

...

OK, I did that. But instead of LM 10 I wound up with Kubuntu.

Assuming you followed the instructions from a LM10 install, after rebooting you should have both. At the graphical login, when you select a user but don't yet log in, you should see a panel at the bottom of the screen with a drop down arrow with "Gnome" or "KDE3" as options.

Gnome will log you into a regular LM10, KDE3 into a version of KDE3 installed on a LM10 base. Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, of course. If you log into KDE3 it will look much like Kubuntu with KDE3 rather than the default LM10 Gnome.

But the whole idea here is for those who really like KDE3 to get a chance to use it again, somewhat updated. I now use both LM10 Gnome and KDE3, and like them both. They are different. And I don't much like KDE4, but that's me.

As my mom used to say, "To each his own, like the old lady when she kissed the cow." I never fully understood the cow part.

KDE3 is not the latest and greatest. It's a slightly older Desktop Environment that some of us still prefer. Those who never used KDE3, or didn't care for it, shouldn't bother with it now. It's not for everybody, but it's nice to have a choice and I really appreciate what the Trinity project is doing.

Andy

[MALsPa]

A lot of functionality was lost in KDE4. People who never used 3.5 wouldn't miss it, but for those of used to Konqueror as the "Swiss-army knife of applications," (for example)

There's also some functionality in KDE4 that isn't found in 3.5, I've noticed. As to your example, I like Dolphin but Konqueror is still available to use in KDE4.

KDE4 is a lot of bling and a lot of frustration.

I guess so, but I don't find KDE4 to be frustrating!

KDE3 is not the latest and greatest. It's a slightly older Desktop Environment that some of us still prefer. Those who never used KDE3, or didn't care for it, shouldn't bother with it now. It's not for everybody, but it's nice to have a choice and I really appreciate what the Trinity project is doing.

Yeah, what they're doing is admirable -- and it's always good to have a choice! But I wonder about the following statement (lifted from a post at another Linux forum):

There's no realistic way the KDE 3.x code-base can be maintained against future Kernels, future X-servers, and other underlying tech when the original developers were already running into problems maintaining what was a "modern" code-base with the release of 3.5.

This is why I'm not so optimistic about Trinity's future.

[colyn]

There's no realistic way the KDE 3.x code-base can be maintained against future Kernels, future X-servers, and other underlying tech when the original developers were already running into problems maintaining what was a "modern" code-base with the release of 3.5.

This is why I'm not so optimistic about Trinity's future.

This is also the primary reason I decided not to go in this direction.

I'm currently running KDE 4.5.3 on Mint 9 with no problems. Each new update seems to be better than the last but KDE 3.5 can only go so far...

[Andy Axnot]

Nothing lasts forever. This is especially true when it comes to computers and software. I no longer run my VIC-20, or my KayPro with CP/M, nor even MSDOS 6.2. (I do have a VIC-20 stored somewhere, just in case )

So KDE3.5 won't last forever. Neither will I. Whatever floats your boat.

Andy

[DrHu]

Yes KDE was simple, just like win9xx, so the same people who could get used to Vista and now win7, should, if they also use Linux have as little trouble with KDE4x

And we don't know how big or little that trouble is, it depends on each person who gets to decide for themselves
--didn't seem to stop the mass upgrade to Vista, which most agreed was a pretty big shock/jump and changes to their normal desktop way of working: what they were used to..

There is no need for a Linux user to hold back KDE 4x development

just because they prefer what they have been used to..

[MALsPa]

Nothing lasts forever. This is especially true when it comes to computers and software.

So true.

Look, I'm still running KDE 3.5 in Mepis 8. I'm using it right at this moment. I was dreading the move to KDE4, and I never thought that I would actually like it.

But after spending a few months using KDE4 in other distros, I'd say that given a choice between KDE 3.5 and KDE4, I'd choose KDE4.

If other folks prefer to use Trinity, that's fine with me. But a lot of people have found that they prefer KDE4 over KDE 3.5, including me. If you can't stand change, stick with Trinity and KDE 3.5. If you're open to change, give yourself some time using KDE4, and decide for yourself -- you might be surprised to find that you actually like it, like I was.

[Andy Axnot]

Interestingly I did not dread the move to KDE4. I looked forward to it. After all, KDE had given us this wonderful DE that I really, really liked, KDE 3.5, and now they were going to give us something even better. A lot better! Something that would put Windows and Macs to shame.

And they delivered a dud. IMHO, of course.

At first they told us it was because they couldn't continue to develop for both the 3x and 4x trees, so they were pushing out 4.0 even though it wasn't completely ready for prime time. OK, I bought that though I didn't like it. I used it for a while then went back to my PCLinuxOS 3.5.10 2009.2. Every time PCLOS came out with a new or updated release I tried it. I still don't like KDE4. I actually prefer Gnome to KDE4, and I used to hate Gnome. Maybe they'll eventually whip KDE4 into shape... and the next day announce KDE5.

I've also tried PCLOS's other flavors: E17 (my favorite, but not good enough); LXDE, xfce, etc. No go.

But this is all beside the point. KDE3 is not really current, KDE4 is. The future is not really with KDE3, and I'm not evangelizing for it. Use whatever works for you and still works. For me, right now, it's Trinity KDE3 and LM10 Gnome; next week I might have an epiphany and embrace KDE4 .

As I've said before, whatever floats your boat.

Best regards,

Andy