KDE should be the default Mint desktop

[sjonesy]

Opnions opnions, yea lets make kde the default, and to hell with everything else. You guys listen to yourselves?

[rec9140]

Opnions opnions, yea lets make kde the default, and to hell with everything else. You guys listen to yourselves?

And so your vote is to make [insert de here] the default or leave as the default and to hell with everything else? You listen to yourself?

Stand back Konqi is about to breath fire! ! ! WARNING! ! RANT ON!

Plain and simple for the everyday average DE, KDE, and even KDE 4.x, should be the default.

Yes I am biased, and this is the KDE forum! I don't go outside this forum 99% of the time, I don't care whats going on with any thing other than the DebMint version, and watching for a KDebMint version.. I personally don't acknowledge any part of the main edition... there is the KMint version and the other is non existent. I am sure its a fine version and has a great dev team, its NOT for *ME*. Very politely I suggest you go back to the other side of the forum, and stay there and take the rest of the other DE trolls with you. I can and will be more than glad to jump over to the other forum and release the hounds! I've really held back my opinion on a certain DE.....Why don't I.. I've got better things to do like supporting the KMint users in this forum. I probably put US$2K worth of my and my agencies time into KMint support a week. Theres a real interesting trend I see on this forum, seems to occur in April and October... you can figure out that on your own.

For the lighter weight and for those that prefer it XFCE, LXDE etc. is/are fine options, not for me as my main use, but each has a spot for their use. If they work for you great. They have their support forum(s) down the hall.....

As for the current main editions use of a certain DE... I have reasons for not using stinky foot diseased DE's. And YES YOU BET I would like to have an extermination of a certain DE. I've never denied and won't my stance, I am all for an extermination.

1) Creator and author is a shill for a company I despise. Theres a reason I am using Linux and not that other OS, and if it weren't for BSD, yes its been highly customized, but it has a BSD HEART, would another company even be around? ? I think not! Oh and that a certain other company invested as a cheap way to not get broken up or worse.

2) Contains patent and trademark traps in a certain framework ... NO THANKS! SEE MY avatar!

3) Even more draconian than asegio and company is the lack of configurability and absolute no you can't mentality of another DE..

4) default of kicker and buttons in the wrong spot, I don't care that they can be configured, they don't go there to start!

5) KDE has a spot in my heart from having to slog through the DE based forums to get things to work and its DE origins, are all pluses in my book.

6) Dragons work for me.

KDE has done some boneheaded things in KDE4 you bet! I have bashed 4.x from the start and will continue to bash boneheaded things that KDE 4.x continues to do, but KDE is still the best X DE out there. I can take any winluser and sit them down in a KDE DE and let them have at it. Same goes for the most part with XFCE, LXDE and most of the others... put them in front of that other DE.. and guess what... their clicking in the bottom left to get to the menu and nothings happening! Ok.. your saying they need to be told that... BZZT! ! ! The goal is to put them in front of Linux and not know the difference for 99% of the stuff.

[sjonesy]

And so your vote is to make [insert de here] the default or leave as the default and to hell with everything else? You listen to yourself?

Thats the stupidest thing I've seen here in a while.
No it isn't up to me, isn't that why we have so many choices?

[colyn]

Opnions opnions, yea lets make kde the default, and to hell with everything else. You guys listen to yourselves?

Being a bit sarcastic this evening are we????

Sarcasm creates arguments so let's tone it down a bit...we're not here to fight...

I use KDE in part because of the native DigiKam and KDE is rock solid. I know I can install DigiKam in Gnome or other DE but then it will also install many KDE files as well so I may as well have KDE installed.

Does that mean it should be the default DE??? No...

Should any DE be the default??

Each person is going to use whatever DE he/she wants to use regardless..

Gnome has the largest following so it stands to reason Clem has chosen it for that position...

[mastablasta]

it's true. KDE looks a lot like windows and as previous Windows user (and many people do switch from Windows to Linux and then back .... ) it is really true that going arround the whole system is easy. you can find things fast while you might struggle in gnome (sometimes). at least in default. for example to me it is still not logical that Terminal is accessory not a system tool.

Add to this easy to install widgets... Well there is plenty posts people asking how to get that large time and weather (probably conky) on desktop. with KDE it's righclick drag and drop and probably lock in position.

If only two of my issues would be resolved it would be a fantastic environment.

the reason why GNOME is default is because plenty settings are simplified. which is cool. but as soon as you run into a glitch or problem or if oyu want to change soehting spefically you need to dive into the terminal commands. then again you can find plenty of them and then just copy and paste them in the terminal.

GNOME is not so bad, but i also like KDE.
And LXDE - i think this one has real potential but it needs to be developed a bit more. to be more user friendly and low resources at same time.

[rec9140]

Thats the stupidest thing I've seen here in a while.
No it isn't up to me, isn't that why we have so many choices?

You posted it... and stated that "Opnions opnions, yea lets make kde the default, and to hell with everything else."

So only [insert DE] is worthy of being the default and everything else is second or third class baggage? Based on ? ? ? That poll on site? Well with out it being done where you had to answer all the questions under controlled polling and allowing for the time honored tradition that "you can make statistics say what ever you want." I see that poll as s resolution to some things, ISO size. In other ways it shows there a lots of lost souls out there that need to turn in their KDE membership cards! You either embrace Konqi or get out of KDE!

The number of existing users of the main edition far exceeds those using the KDE edition. So we should throw it out? And the LXDE and XFCE ones too??? I am already aware there is a group that would like that... well I am in a group that would like to see YOUR EDITION removed. So I guess were even.


We have the :

KDE Edition

LXDE

XFCE

Fluxbox

And hopefully a KDE Debian version.

That's enough choice for me.

Some times its not just choice its PRINCIPALS and that some projects don't warrant and measure up to use... like using frameworks which cause patent issues, which a certain company is just waiting to exploit. You think they won't... that is their whole scheme time after time... embrace extend EXTINQUISH.

If we had ONE DVD which included all the DE's with the ability to EASILY REMOVE the offensive one, then I would be thrilled... unfortunately that would lead to loss of other software to put all the DE's on to one... so not really a good plan to make things work for various media etc..

The main edition in its current form also is going to have to deal with the release of the new version of its DE... its time to just make a split from them and drop them. The project as a whole will benefit immensely from running away fast and hard from that DE and the shenanigans from upstream on their alternative to X and DE.

[MALsPa]

Strong opinions in this thread.

I run the main version of Mint 9, but I added KDE to it, and use that instead of GNOME. So, it doesn't much matter to me what the default DE is, because I'll install and use something else if I feel like it, anyway.

I know that a lot of folks don't like KDE4 at all, and have switched to Xfce. Maybe Xfce should be the default Mint DE?

Or, maybe the best thing would be to keep GNOME as the default for the main version, continue offering the other versions, and let people decide for themselves. It would be interesting to see which version ends up with the most users.

No matter what happens with GNOME 3, users have a choice in which Mint version to install. Even after any one version is chosen, there are other desktop environments and/or window managers available to add. Nobody's gonna be holding a gun to anyone's head saying, "You MUST use GNOME 3."

[viking777]

flowerdealer you are a troll.

You crave the sound of crackling flames.

I am not going to pour my oil onto the troubled waters of this thread - though believe me I could.

[colyn]

flowerdealer you are a troll.

I've read both of his posts on this topic and I fail to see any trolling.

Opinions posted by others here or on other threads don't always constitute trolling. While some may be somewhat opinionated I see no issues with any of the posts made here..

It's easy to call someone a troll when you/me/others disagree with that person but that does not mean they are trolling...

[flowerdealer]

No, I'm not a troll viking777, I genuinely think that KDE is the most advanced desktop available for Linux these days. And just so that you know, I had been mostly a Gnome user before 4.6, I never liked the pre 4.0 KDE versions (although I use them at work every day), and of course I agree that the 4.0 series all the way up before 4.5 where a disaster, although they offered a very interesting preview of a desktop with great promise. I just like the discussion to happen, I would love to see Linux Mint KDE version that gets the same attention (and release date) than the Gnome version.

[mastablasta]

Nobody's gonna be holding a gun to anyone's head saying, "You MUST use GNOME 3."

this goes either way doesn't it?

You could just as easilly say why not put KDE as default it's not like anyone will be saying "You MUST use KDE" then.

[rec9140]

Strong opinions in this thread.

Yes I do when it comes to one particular piece of cruft ... it boils my blood more than KDE 4.x!

I know that a lot of folks don't like KDE4 at all, and have switched to Xfce. Maybe Xfce should be the default Mint DE?

Thats fine with me, as long as the KMint version continues! I still won't use that version, XFCE doesn't measure up to my needs... BUT as long as one piece of crud goes away and dies I am all for it!

Or, maybe the best thing would be to keep G[censored] as the default for the main version, continue offering the other versions, and let people decide for themselves. It would be interesting to see which version ends up with the most users.

What ever is offered as the "Main Edition" is going to get the most..... LM has come to the proverbial fork in the road...

Upstream has totally lost its marbles with its X replacement plan and DE replacement... and certain DE has come to its own KDE 4.x crossroads as well... I've read what Clem has posted about the plans for that version.. well I don't see that lasting... your going to have to totally gut things to get that to work... seems like a lot of work for little benefit....

A far better path is to just dump the offending branch altogether and go a better path... that is....

KDE for the mainstream desktop

XFCE, LXDE, Fluxbux, etc. for options for the LIGHTERWEIGHT area and those looking for some thing else.