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Re: KDE stable release

Postby belovedmonster on Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:41 am

Since Mint 5 isnt really going to add much new and is more of a polish release to take advantage of Ubuntu's LTS status; I think it is also the perfect opportunity to address all these community concerns.

Mint has done amazing things considering it is the work of a few individuals in particular the mighty Clem. But the time has come now where they need to leverage more of the community in order to push things forward.
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby naturalblue on Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:28 pm

Hey, I didn't mean to start a big conversation on the subject or get anybody's feckles up or re-arrange the way Mint does it development cycle. I'd just keep hearing good things coming up about new betas but can't get my hands on them, when I really wan't to test out the new minty goodness. If Mint decides to keep internal betas, no problem, I can live with that, but I still do think for it to be a community edition, the community should be involved at every step. I'm not saying anything about the project. In fact, it is the first distro of Linux that has allowed me to completely free myself of Windows. SO thank you for that.
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby belovedmonster on Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:36 pm

You are not alone in wanting more transparency though.
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby merlwiz79 on Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:55 pm

naturalblue wrote:Hey, I didn't mean to start a big conversation on the subject or get anybody's feckles up or re-arrange the way Mint does it development cycle. I'd just keep hearing good things coming up about new betas but can't get my hands on them, when I really wan't to test out the new minty goodness. If Mint decides to keep internal betas, no problem, I can live with that, but I still do think for it to be a community edition, the community should be involved at every step. I'm not saying anything about the project. In fact, it is the first distro of Linux that has allowed me to completely free myself of Windows. SO thank you for that.

The internal betas are for quality control reasons.
This makes sure the old bugs were fixed and no new bugs aren't added.

The latest update is that beta041 had a few bugs and now Boo is working on Beta042.
It shouldn't be to long before this is sent to Exploder for testing.
Then hopefully released to the Community for testing.
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby LunkHead on Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:00 pm

I think you are missing the point.... A community release is not under the control of one person.... The community has a say in it.... This is not the case......

Not a slam as Boo does an awesome job for a one-person release.... Just an observation....
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby LostOverThere on Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:43 pm

LunkHead, the next BETA will be released within days according to the blog. I'm sure we'll get a bit of a say with what stays and what goes with it. :)
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby exploder on Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:00 am

The internal betas are for quality control reasons.
This makes sure the old bugs were fixed and no new bugs aren't added


This sums things up very well. I understand many are anxious for the next release and looking forward to it, this is a good thing!

I think you are missing the point.... A community release is not under the control of one person.... The community has a say in it.... This is not the case......

Not a slam as Boo does an awesome job for a one-person release.... Just an observation....


Boo has asked many times about what was to be included in the KDE Community Edition and has done a fine job in meeting the needs of the community. There is a great deal involved in building a community edition and it is carefully checked to ensure you get a quality release. Boo has always looked at the community response to the KDE edition and he goes above and beyond to respond to questions and comments about the KDE edition. The community has involvement.

I can understand the anticipation for the KDE Community Edition. I did not see the blog but it will not be long.
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby clem on Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:14 am

A release costs a lot of time (sync with mirrors, announcements, release notes..etc) and it's also a deliverable (ie. a product which can be used by the public, which bares our name and which quality has an impact on our image). So for these reasons an ISO is only released once it reaches a certain level of quality (a battery of pre-defined tests, the "exploding" process, my own tests..etc). BETA041 had two noticeable problems:

- Window borders problem when launching Compiz
- Ndisgtk wouldn't run.

These problems are now fixed in BETA 042 which should be uploaded in the hours/days to come. As soon as this is done the ISO will be "exploded" and tested again.

The reason why this is not transparent is because it's not that interesting to talk about bugs you'll never get to see and basically it won't be released until it's completely ready... no matter how long this takes. You can tell by the build number.. Boo is working hard on this. Exploder is being extremely prompt and responsive and I have no doubt we should see this second beta released very soon.

Also, I can tell you by the look of that BETA that there won't be a big gap between its release and the STABLE release. If we're lucky it might even be the same ISO.

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Re: KDE stable release

Postby rcdeacon on Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:22 am

I for one am looking forward to the next beta (042). I do prefer kde over gnome.
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby gman on Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:32 am

Great job with Mint and the KDE edition. I think the testing process if fine. Why follow the method of many distros which keep providing bug filled alphas and betas if the developers already have a process to find bugs. The ndisgtk bug would have been a killer, so a release with that bug would have made Mint look very bad. Better to hold off and fix a ndisgtk bug than to release with a ndisgtk bug.

While others may not like the testing and release process, I have confidence in the process. There is a reason why Mint is the best distro...the developers are savvy to the needs and desires of Linux users.
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby gman on Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:40 pm

Any update to the status of the next Mint 4.0 KDE CE Beta?
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby merlwiz79 on Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:55 am

gman wrote:Any update to the status of the next Mint 4.0 KDE CE Beta?

Exploder is testing it currently.
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby belovedmonster on Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:36 am

gman wrote:Any update to the status of the next Mint 4.0 KDE CE Beta?


It's been a day or two away from release for 2 weeks ;)
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby Boo on Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:53 am

well it is up to beta 44 now, and exploder is testing it.

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Re: KDE stable release

Postby Fred on Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:09 am

Thanks Boo,

Take your time and polish that thing until it shines so bright you have to wear sun glasses to handle the cd. LOL

Have a good day,

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Re: KDE stable release

Postby gman2 on Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:27 pm

I can't start ndisgtk from the menu, do others have that problem? Have to start from command line. Was that one of the bugs and if so was it fixed?
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby merlwiz79 on Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:14 pm

gman2 wrote:I can't start ndisgtk from the menu, do others have that problem? Have to start from command line. Was that one of the bugs and if so was it fixed?

Yes it should work in the next release.
The problem was the command the launcher was using.
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kdesu /usr/sbin/ndisgtk --kde
kdesu: Unknown option '--kde'.
kdesu: Use --help to get a list of available command line options.

It should have been this.
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kdesu "/usr/sbin/ndisgtk --kde"
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby foggytown on Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:30 pm

Boo wrote:well it is up to beta 44 now, and exploder is testing it.


Excellent, Boo. Thanks for all of your work!
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby ssbfalcon on Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:23 pm

Sound great. I'll be patiently waiting for the release...
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Re: KDE stable release

Postby stian.86 on Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:31 pm

this just came in from the blog (for you guys that don't read it) :

Daryna KDE CE B44
Monday, January 21st, 2008 @ 8:14 pm | Uncategorized

BETA 044 should be released this week.

I don't think I am the only one who REALLY is looking forward to download this beta....

Way to go Boo and Exploder, Thank you for your incredible work :)
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