How Nautilus Installed?

[jjaythomas]

Curious...
Anyone know how Nautilus got installed on LMDE-XFCE?

I install Swift Linux (LMDE based distro) because I like to build my system up to what I like. But I don't get nautilus installed, even after update to 'UPack4' with XFCE.
So I believed it has to be a dependency of one of the Gnome apps installed by default on LMDE-XFCE

J.Jay

[drdavidk]

I don't have an answer, just sympathies. I do use Nautilus, but I like the customizability of Nautilus 2.30 rather than the more "elementary" 3.x. So I back-tracked and installed LMDE_XFCE 201109, and selectively upgrade using Mint Update. I then unselect "Draw Desktop" under gconf-editor's Nautilus settings so that Nautilus doesn't take over the desktop.

[altair4]

There may be another / better way to do this but ...

Install the following package:

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sudo apt-get install apt-rdepends

Run the following command:

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apt-cache rdepends nautilus

It will list all of the packages that have nautilus as a dependency or as a "suggests" dependency. You may not have installed all of them - it's just telling you that if you install or have installed any of these packages nautilus may come with it.

EDIT: Wrong package to install, sorry

[zerozero]

ok, trying to answer this (and others questions like why with the latest updates gnome3 is to be installed into lmde-xfce)

first remember this http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1725 (when the xfce ed. was announced was very clear the goal of this ed., it was not a lean&mean xfce interpretation, was not a showcase of xfce, was a way to bring xfce mainstream (incorporating gnome features): i won't discuss the option, mostly because i'm not that used to xfce to judged it (and don't know for sure if it was/is really needed or xfce can/could provide all the "services" the average user needs.)
either way the rationale is clearly stated in the announcement page, so hardly anyone can feel fooled.

let's see (running a live-dvd - 201109)

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mint@mint ~ $ inxi -Sr
System:    Host mint Kernel 2.6.39-2-486 i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint Xfce Edition
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
           deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
           deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free
mint@mint ~ $ uname -a
Linux mint 2.6.39-2-486 #1 Tue Jul 5 02:52:23 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux

why nautilus

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mint@mint ~ $ dpkg --get-selections | grep nautilus
libnautilus-extension1            install
nautilus-gksu               install
nautilus-open-terminal            install
nautilus-sendto               install


why gnome3 (most probably because of this>>)

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mint@mint ~ $ dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome
gnome-about               install
gnome-audio               install
gnome-bluetooth               install
gnome-desktop-data            install
gnome-dictionary            install
gnome-disk-utility            install
gnome-doc-utils               install
gnome-icon-theme            install
gnome-js-common               install
gnome-keyring               install
gnome-mag               install
gnome-media               install
gnome-media-common            install
gnome-menus               install
gnome-mime-data               install
gnome-mplayer               install
gnome-netstatus-applet            install
gnome-nettool               install
gnome-ppp               install
gnome-search-tool            install
gnome-session-bin            install
gnome-session-canberra            install
gnome-session-common            install
gnome-settings-daemon            install
gnome-system-log            install
gnome-system-monitor            install
gnome-system-tools            install
gnome-user-share            install
gnome-utils-common            install
gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs            install
libgail-gnome-module            install
libgnome-bluetooth7            install
libgnome-desktop-2-17            install
libgnome-keyring0            install
libgnome-keyring1.0-cil            install
libgnome-mag2               install
libgnome-media0               install
libgnome-menu2               install
libgnome-speech7            install
libgnome-vfs2.0-cil            install
libgnome-window-settings1         install
libgnome2-0               install
libgnome2-canvas-perl            install
libgnome2-common            install
libgnome2-perl               install
libgnome2-vfs-perl            install
libgnome2.24-cil            install
libgnomecanvas2-0            install
libgnomecanvas2-common            install
libgnomekbd-common            install
libgnomekbd4               install
libgnomepanel2.24-cil            install
libgnomeui-0               install
libgnomeui-common            install
libgnomevfs2-0               install
libgnomevfs2-common            install
libgnomevfs2-extra            install
libpam-gnome-keyring            install
libreoffice-gnome            install
libsoup-gnome2.4-1            install
network-manager-gnome            install
network-manager-pptp-gnome         install
policykit-1-gnome            install
python-gnome2               install
python-gnomeapplet            install
python-gnomedesktop            install
python-gnomekeyring            install


[jjaythomas]

Not fooled just curious

Just noticed on XFCE forums seemed to be the cause of some problems in XFCE. And because uninstalling Nautilus (ZZero stated included) doesn't cause problem. Just wondered what was the rationale for it or what it borks (surprise later) it causes by uninstalling.

J.Jay

P.S. normally if asked "which Linux" I recommend LMint (Ubuntu based) or Xubuntu (until Unity/Gnome3/mate/cinnamon settles). But with a (hopefully) new LMint13 XFCE spin will probably recomend that

I don't advise mangling LMDE (currently using Swift base ) like I like to do! But I still ask questions or wonder more In-depth reasons sometimes.

[jjaythomas]

I don't have a problem with nautilus on LMDE-XFCE its a easy fix to uninstall or use gconf to set 'no draw desk'
BUT
Even people wanting to use nautilus may have problems with the drawing desktop ect. Can't the ISO or update set that without interfering with other stuff?

J.Jay

P.S. actually I don't have the associated problem (with what playing with now) But others do/might.

[zerozero]

Not fooled just curious

yeahh, i know, wasn't referring to you

as i said above i'm not an xfce expert to know exactly if those addictions are absolutely necessary or we have better xfce counter-parts (referring to the nautilus extensions that xfce ships); i usually read in the forum that thunar is not *yet there* compared to nautilus.

- re. nautilus (and those associated lib) they can be safely uninstalled;
- it's trickier to do the same with most of gnome* lib in the other output (there i would recommend a lot of caution and read the output of any removal command at least twice: some of those libs depend on parts of the system that you don't want to see removed >> networkmanager, gnome-keyring)

[jjaythomas]

I Tinker...

I just thought if can set gconf with update or next ISO (for the XFCE one) may alleviate some of the Problems being seen on the XFCE forum.

Personally I have parts from GTK, QT,script hacks, and who knows what else. So I'm constantly puting out fires (or starting them ) When get out of hand just start over

J.Jay

[baptiste]

I don't have an answer, just sympathies. I do use Nautilus, but I like the customizability of Nautilus 2.30 rather than the more "elementary" 3.x. So I back-tracked and installed LMDE_XFCE 201109, and selectively upgrade using Mint Update. I then unselect "Draw Desktop" under gconf-editor's Nautilus settings so that Nautilus doesn't take over the desktop.

maybe you could install MATE's nautilus (caja) instead.

[jjaythomas]

Thank you

I personally don't have nautilus. I start with another distro (based on LMDE) and update with Upacks (updates with Upacks and LMDE repo by default) and I'm currently running same UPack4 with XFCE4 + Goodies installed, basically just different package list Working good so far(crossing fingers).

I just wondering what to avoid so Not to get nautilus. That one reason I like installing apps with 'Mint's software Manager',
(let you see what also going to install)
I just don't want nautilus slipping in when not paying attention!

J.Jay