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Re: Mint Debian

Postby craig10x on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:10 am

deibu76 wrote:Doing the work involved in this link improved the rendering in Firefox immensely for me in Debian:

http://lovingthepenguin.blogspot.com/2010/07/firefox-36-with-pretty-fonts-in-debian_15.html


Thanks..that is a very helpful post...though my main point is you should not HAVE to tinker to get web pages to look good...someone coming over from windows or mac to MINT (the newbie friendly distro for new linux converts) i believe would be turned off when he would see how debian renders pages in it's natural state...I'm sure the folks at ubuntu realized that a long time ago, which is why they made the appropriate "patches" to give it (what i consider to be) the best font rendering one currently finds in Linux Distros (unless you do extensive tinkering after the fact)....

And that is why it's a key point for the Mint team to make sure it LOOKS good as well as WORKS GOOD... :wink:
And the ubuntu/kubuntu based Mints LOOK GOOD :)
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby mfdemicco on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:27 am

craig10x wrote:
omns wrote:for me,if the mint team, can't make it look at least as good as ubuntu, i won't switch to the debian version, ever....and ultimately i would really love to, but that would unfortunately be a major "deal breaker" for me...
to my eye, debian looks horrible... :roll:


Exactly. I think the problem is solvable, but from what I've read, involves a complex process of patching some libraries (libcairo2, for example). I don't want to risk screwing up my system so I'll wait until the Mint team figures it out.

BTW, I'm running sidux (based on Debian Unstable (Sid) with KDE) and the fonts look great on it - comparable to Mint 9/Ubuntu.
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby craig10x on Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:36 am

Then Sid must have made the appropriate patching changes...as you said, the mint team would have to figure it out...
I use KDE now myself (just recently switched from gnome thanks to getting hooked on Mint 9 64 bit KDE)...and i would want the KDE 64 bit version of Mint Debian which hopefully will eventually be offered...I hope by then they got the fonts to look as good (or better) then ubuntu/kubuntu...
Mint 9 KDE looks great right out of the box with no tinkering at all...

Hmm..never looked at Sid...might have to check it out...to just to play a bit...that's a rolling distro? is is stable? How about getting codecs for it...does it come with what you need or do you have to add it on and how do you do it? I know a bit off topic but just curious.... :wink:
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby kmb42vt on Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:06 pm

bug67 wrote:I think my n00bness is showing. I tried launching in terminal by typing (without quotes) "aisleriot-solitaire", just "aisleriot" and just "solitaire." All were met with "command not found." some of the other games like chess launched just fine. seems to just be the aisleriot games. Tried a complete removal and reinstall to no avail.


In terminal, type: "sol" (without the quotes). That's the actual command for Aisle Riot. Strange though as Aisle Riot is listed in the menu under "Games" and fires right up for me. The command path for Aisle Riot is "/usr/games/sol" by the way. If it's showing up in the menu, right-click on the icon and select "Properties" and make sure that's the command path shown. Worth a try anyway.
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby kmb42vt on Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:13 pm

Well, we've got our first review of LMDE listed on Linux Mint's page on DistroWatch. Not a bad review at all. Got the name wrong in the slug although Jim corrected it in the review.

http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/09/ ... -9-debian/
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby Malakun on Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:39 pm

Software-center package isn't working, any suggestion?
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby Irbis on Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:22 pm

craig10x wrote:Then Sid must have made the appropriate patching changes...as you said, the mint team would have to figure it out...
I use KDE now myself (just recently switched from gnome thanks to getting hooked on Mint 9 64 bit KDE)...and i would want the KDE 64 bit version of Mint Debian which hopefully will eventually be offered...I hope by then they got the fonts to look as good (or better) then ubuntu/kubuntu...
Mint 9 KDE looks great right out of the box with no tinkering at all...

Hmm..never looked at Sid...might have to check it out...to just to play a bit...that's a rolling distro? is is stable? How about getting codecs for it...does it come with what you need or do you have to add it on and how do you do it? I know a bit off topic but just curious.... :wink:


+1 for KDE and 64bit versions, that would be awesome.

1. Deb-based
2. Rolling release
3. Lovely desktop environment
Doesn't it sound like a distro of dream?:)
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby msuggs on Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:24 pm

mfdemicco wrote:
craig10x wrote:
omns wrote:for me,if the mint team, can't make it look at least as good as ubuntu, i won't switch to the debian version, ever....and ultimately i would really love to, but that would unfortunately be a major "deal breaker" for me...
to my eye, debian looks horrible... :roll:


Exactly. I think the problem is solvable, but from what I've read, involves a complex process of patching some libraries (libcairo2, for example). I don't want to risk screwing up my system so I'll wait until the Mint team figures it out.

BTW, I'm running sidux (based on Debian Unstable (Sid) with KDE) and the fonts look great on it - comparable to Mint 9/Ubuntu.


I think there's a mistake in formatting of the original quote there. I never said that. craig10x owns those thoughts :)
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby shayney on Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:26 pm

craig10x wrote:Then Sid must have made the appropriate patching changes...


It isn't patched in Sid. Testing is, for the most part, a slightly older Sid.
Whether or not sidux includes any patches I doubt but they may have done some tinkering.
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby craig10x on Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:32 pm

thanks shayney...I guess my main point is this: Sure anyone of us can do some tinkering after the fact, to make it suit our own "personal tastes" but at the same time, the default look of Mint Debian should be patched, tinkered or whatever they would need to do, to make it at least match (or perhaps even surpass) Ubuntu/Kubuntu....

I've tried many distros and always come away from Ubuntu/Kubuntu ( and standard Mint which is based on them) saying...well, that looks REAL NICE...
can't say the same for many other distros i have tried...And when i looked at Mint Debian on the live cd amd started to surf in my favorite Chrome browser, which renders beautifully in Mint 9, i wasn't liking what i was seeing...i even tried playing with font settings a bit...didn't help much...and actually, one should not have to, just to get a decent look...

As the old saying goes, First Impressions Are Important :wink:

also, a simplified installer, similar to the standard mint editions would be much more "newbie friendly"....
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby panzer on Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:36 pm

mfdemicco wrote:
craig10x wrote:
omns wrote:for me,if the mint team, can't make it look at least as good as ubuntu, i won't switch to the debian version, ever....and ultimately i would really love to, but that would unfortunately be a major "deal breaker" for me...
to my eye, debian looks horrible... :roll:


Exactly. I think the problem is solvable, but from what I've read, involves a complex process of patching some libraries (libcairo2, for example). I don't want to risk screwing up my system so I'll wait until the Mint team figures it out.

BTW, I'm running sidux (based on Debian Unstable (Sid) with KDE) and the fonts look great on it - comparable to Mint 9/Ubuntu.



I actually use Crunchbang Statler (alpha-2) based on Debian Squeeze. I solved the problem with fonts with this:
http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic ... ke-ubuntu/
I use the packages compiled.
Fonts are exactly like Ubuntu for me! Can anyone confirm if it works with LMDE?

Thanks.
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby craig10x on Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:42 pm

hope the mint team sees your post :wink:
and i hope they don't think i am being a pain in the a** harping on it :lol:
but i absolutely love and support Mint...and i really want them to even surpass UBUNTU with this!

The way it looks now, it would be like presenting a ferrari at an auto show that is full of bangs and dents...and i would like to see the whole package (including the font issue) become super smooth and sleek...
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby randomizer on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:09 pm

I just added ttf-mscorefonts-installer and modified my ~/.fonts.conf and the fonts look about the same as they do on any Linux Mint 9 edition. Granted, the fonts are not as clean as they are in Windows, but they never have been. If there's one thing Windows excels at, it's font rendering.
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby craig10x on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:28 pm

yes that is so true...that is the one (and the ONLY thing) i miss about windows...the excellent font rendering.....

regarding comment:

+1 for KDE and 64bit versions, that would be awesome.

1. Deb-based
2. Rolling release
3. Lovely desktop environment
Doesn't it sound like a distro of dream?:)

+1 from me too on that one since i run Mint 9 KDE now (converted from the Mint Gnome side...lol) with great font rendering of course... :wink:

I always install the mscore fonts (it helps on certain sites i visit a lot) but how do you do that
~/.fonts.conf business? (i am not that "savvy" about those kind of things) does it really make it look as good as the ubuntu based version?
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby bug67 on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:36 pm

kmb42vt wrote:In terminal, type: "sol" (without the quotes). That's the actual command for Aisle Riot. Strange though as Aisle Riot is listed in the menu under "Games" and fires right up for me. The command path for Aisle Riot is "/usr/games/sol" by the way. If it's showing up in the menu, right-click on the icon and select "Properties" and make sure that's the command path shown. Worth a try anyway.


I suppose this really ought to be in its own thread but since it has been addressed here...

"sol" (without quotes in terminal) returned this:
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Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Failed to initialise clutter: XServer appears to lack required GLX support


Command path from "properties" is:

/usr/games/sol

It looks to me like "XSever" appears to lack "required GLX support" whatever that is. :P

Sounds like it may be something to do with my graphics chip? I don't know if any of this will help:

"lspci" returned this:

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00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 3 (rev 02)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 4 (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 02)
05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
08:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation PRO/100 VE Network Connection (rev 02)
08:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
08:09.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 19)
08:09.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 0a)
08:09.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 05)
08:09.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev ff)


"lspci -v" returned this:

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00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
   Memory at d4200000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K]
   I/O ports at 1800 [size=8]
   Memory at c0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
   Memory at d4300000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256K]
   Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: i915

00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
   Memory at d4280000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K]
   Capabilities: <access denied>

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
   Memory at d4340000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel

00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
   Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=03, sec-latency=0
   I/O behind bridge: 00002000-00002fff
   Memory behind bridge: d2000000-d3ffffff
   Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 00000000d0000000-00000000d1ffffff
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: pcieport

00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 3 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
   Bus: primary=00, secondary=04, subordinate=04, sec-latency=0
   I/O behind bridge: 00004000-00004fff
   Memory behind bridge: 80000000-801fffff
   Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 0000000080200000-00000000803fffff
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: pcieport

00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 4 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
   Bus: primary=00, secondary=05, subordinate=05, sec-latency=0
   I/O behind bridge: 00005000-00005fff
   Memory behind bridge: d4000000-d40fffff
   Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 0000000080400000-00000000805fffff
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: pcieport

00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 23
   I/O ports at 1820 [size=32]
   Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd

00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19
   I/O ports at 1840 [size=32]
   Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd

00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 21
   I/O ports at 1860 [size=32]
   Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd

00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
   I/O ports at 1880 [size=32]
   Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd

00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 23
   Memory at d4544000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd

00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2) (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode])
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
   Bus: primary=00, secondary=08, subordinate=08, sec-latency=64
   I/O behind bridge: 00003000-00003fff
   Memory behind bridge: d4100000-d41fffff
   Capabilities: <access denied>

00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0
   Capabilities: <access denied>

00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18
   I/O ports at 01f0 [size=8]
   I/O ports at 03f4 [size=1]
   I/O ports at 0170 [size=8]
   I/O ports at 0374 [size=1]
   I/O ports at 1810 [size=16]
   Kernel driver in use: ata_piix

00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 27
   I/O ports at 18d0 [size=8]
   I/O ports at 18c4 [size=4]
   I/O ports at 18c8 [size=8]
   I/O ports at 18c0 [size=4]
   I/O ports at 18b0 [size=16]
   Memory at d4544400 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: ahci

00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 02)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 20
   I/O ports at 18e0 [size=32]

05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 135b
   Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 28
   Memory at d4000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: iwl3945

08:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation PRO/100 VE Network Connection (rev 02)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 66, IRQ 20
   Memory at d4100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
   I/O ports at 3000 [size=64]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: e100

08:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 16
   Memory at d4101000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: firewire_ohci

08:09.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 19)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
   Memory at d4101800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci

08:09.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 0a)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10
   Memory at d4101c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: ricoh-mmc

08:09.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 05)
   Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30b2
   Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 10
   Memory at d4102000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
   Capabilities: <access denied>

08:09.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev ff) (prog-if ff)
   !!! Unknown header type 7f
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby randomizer on Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:49 pm

craig10x wrote:I always install the mscore fonts (it helps on certain sites i visit a lot) but how do you do that
~/.fonts.conf business? (i am not that "savvy" about those kind of things) does it really make it look as good as the ubuntu based version?


Well they may not be exactly the same, but they are better than the defaults. Add a new file to your home directory called .fonts.config and paste the following into it:

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd">
<fontconfig>

<!-- Use subpixel rendering except on bold fonts where colour fringes are noticeable -->

<match target="font">
<test qual="all" name="weight" compare="less_eq"><const>medium</const></test>
<edit name="rgba" mode="assign"><const>rgb</const></edit>
</match>

<!-- Use the autohinter to make characters with diagonal lines look better (like 'x' and 'k') and generally improve appearance of everything -->

<match target="font">
<edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
</match>

<!-- Set the hinting style to "medium" so we don't get fat fonts with the autohinter -->

<match target="font">
<edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"><const>hintmedium</const></edit>
</match>

<!-- Disable Autohinting for medium-sized bold fonts because it doesn't look right -->

<match target="font">
<test qual="all" name="weight" compare="more"><const>medium</const></test>
<test qual="all" name="pixelsize" compare="less"><double>16</double></test>
<test qual="all" name="pixelsize" compare="more"><double>10</double></test>
<edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
</match>


<!-- Enable anti-aliasing -->

<match target="font">
<edit name="antialias" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
</match>

</fontconfig>


Tweak each setting as you feel the need.
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby Oscar799 on Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:58 am

omns on Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:24 pm

mfdemicco wrote:

craig10x wrote:

omns wrote:for me,if the mint team, can't make it look at least as good as ubuntu, i won't switch to the debian version, ever....and ultimately i would really love to, but that would unfortunately be a major "deal breaker" for me...
to my eye, debian looks horrible... :roll:



Exactly. I think the problem is solvable, but from what I've read, involves a complex process of patching some libraries (libcairo2, for example). I don't want to risk screwing up my system so I'll wait until the Mint team figures it out.

BTW, I'm running sidux (based on Debian Unstable (Sid) with KDE) and the fonts look great on it - comparable to Mint 9/Ubuntu.



I think there's a mistake in formatting of the original quote there. I never said that. craig10x owns those thoughts :)


omns is correct,he did not say that
Looks like the quotes got tangled up
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby gjringo on Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:26 am


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Re: Mint Debian

Postby randomizer on Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:49 pm

craig10x wrote:I always install the mscore fonts (it helps on certain sites i visit a lot) but how do you do that
~/.fonts.conf business? (i am not that "savvy" about those kind of things) does it really make it look as good as the ubuntu based version?



Well they may not be exactly the same, but they are better than the defaults. Add a new file to your home directory called .fonts.config and paste the following into it:

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd">
<fontconfig>

<!-- Use subpixel rendering except on bold fonts where colour fringes are noticeable -->

<match target="font">
<test qual="all" name="weight" compare="less_eq"><const>medium</const></test>
<edit name="rgba" mode="assign"><const>rgb</const></edit>
</match>

<!-- Use the autohinter to make characters with diagonal lines look better (like 'x' and 'k') and generally improve appearance of everything -->

<match target="font">
<edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
</match>

<!-- Set the hinting style to "medium" so we don't get fat fonts with the autohinter -->

<match target="font">
<edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"><const>hintmedium</const></edit>
</match>

<!-- Disable Autohinting for medium-sized bold fonts because it doesn't look right -->

<match target="font">
<test qual="all" name="weight" compare="more"><const>medium</const></test>
<test qual="all" name="pixelsize" compare="less"><double>16</double></test>
<test qual="all" name="pixelsize" compare="more"><double>10</double></test>
<edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
</match>


<!-- Enable anti-aliasing -->

<match target="font">
<edit name="antialias" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
</match>

</fontconfig>



Tweak each setting as you feel the need.


Works well for me, thanks for the random~izer
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby msuggs on Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:39 am

bug67 wrote:
I suppose this really ought to be in its own thread but since it has been addressed here...

"sol" (without quotes in terminal) returned this:
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Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Failed to initialise clutter: XServer appears to lack required GLX support


Command path from "properties" is:

/usr/games/sol

It looks to me like "XSever" appears to lack "required GLX support" whatever that is. :P

Sounds like it may be something to do with my graphics chip?

bug67 you seem to have the same intel card that I have one one of my machines. To solve this problem I had to remove the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and xserver-xorg-video-nv packages then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. I restarted X and all was well. I don't fully understand why this works as the removed packages aren't intel related.
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Re: Mint Debian

Postby randomizer on Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:34 am

gjringo wrote:Works well for me, thanks for the random~izer

No problem. I'm glad my few hours of reading and tweaking and staring too closely at my monitor today have paid off for more than one person :) There's a whole lot more you can do with that file. Some people have multiple pages of stuff where changes affect certain fonts only, some fonts replace others, etc. But switching between a config that was an order of magnitude or more larger than mine and my own, I couldn't see an iota of difference.

This time I plan to actually backup this file so I don't have to do this all over again! :lol:
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