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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby nobby.uk on Wed May 14, 2014 11:56 am

yes, the proxy issue is in 16 as well, but at least with 16 you click on, close the window and the proxy settings were active.
With 17RC, they look to drop as soon as you close the Window.
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby Bejje on Wed May 14, 2014 12:00 pm

vasmakk wrote:
Spearmint2 wrote:In case everyone doesn't read the blog, here's a change in the way things will be done in future concerning further development. It's a change I think is for the better, should strengthen and better enhance LTS versions.

From Clem's blog;

The decision was made to stick to LTS bases. In other words the development team will be focused on the very same package base used by Linux Mint 17 for the next 2 years. It will also be trivial to upgrade from version 17 to 17.1, then 17.2 and so on. Important applications will be backported and we expect this change to boost the pace of our development and reduce the amount of regressions in each new Linux Mint release. This makes Linux Mint 17.x very important to us, not just yet another release, but one that will receive security updates until 2019, one that will receive backports and new features until 2016 and even more importantly, the only package base besides LMDE which we’ll be focused on until 2016.


Will those upgrades include kernel upgrades too ?
I mean if I install LM 17 now, and some (unimportant) hardware of my machine is not supported by the current kernel (3.13.0-24)...
is it possible to wake-up one day and see a new kernel (3.15.x) and the same hardware supported, after e.g. an upgrade to LM 17.x ?

Thx!


Crap! Is it 3.13.0.24 that is the current kernel in the RC? Then it's no idea I try it out then, cause that kernel works liek crap with AMD drivers with Ubuntu.
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby Bejje on Wed May 14, 2014 12:04 pm

nobby.uk wrote:anyone else seeing issues with "Network Proxy". Set the required values, turn on, close the window.
go back in and network proxy is OFF.
Set it to on again, close the window, go back in and it's off once again.


I tested Mint 16 in my corporate environment and had the exact same issue. Needed to put in proxy in some config file somewhere in order to get it to work.
So Ubuntu works much better when proxy is needed since any proxy setting put in to the gui goes system wide, but for Mint only some is affected by that change, so unles you only need proxy in the browser i would suggest googling how to put in proxy system wide with Mint.
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Linux Mint 17 “Qiana” Mate 32Bit RC: Great Job!

Postby goetzkluge on Wed May 14, 2014 12:09 pm

Great job!

My thanks to all who made that first "Qiana" RC possible. I installed it on a preformatted memory stick. Installation and adding most of my required applications went smoothly. I can work with it just like with the previous version. The drive with the previous version I won't update yet. But I now will be using "Qiana" and report bugs, if I notice any.

Thanks again!
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby NM5TF on Wed May 14, 2014 12:15 pm

waiting anxiously for Qiana to come out....

of my 4 *nix distros, Mint is my favorite one...sleek, fast, & light on resources....

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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby Bejje on Wed May 14, 2014 12:17 pm

Nice download speed from http://artfiles.org/linuxmint.com/linux ... //testing/
downloading the RC at 11MB/s :) so basically maxing my 100Mbit line.
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby BRM BRM on Wed May 14, 2014 12:35 pm

NM5TF wrote:waiting anxiously for Qiana to come out....

of my 4 *nix distros, Mint is my favorite one...sleek, fast, & light on resources....

tommy

Hmm, it's not so light anymore.
Mint 15 and 16 used 280-290MB RAM (idle, after boot)
Mint 17 uses 340-350MB RAM...
Both cinnamon x64.
Ubuntu 13.04 and 13.10 used almost 450MB, 14.04 uses 400MB...

Used to be as light as Xubuntu (but better!) now it's heavier. Maybe because it's a RC and not final, i don't know
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby Bejje on Wed May 14, 2014 12:40 pm

BRM BRM wrote:
NM5TF wrote:waiting anxiously for Qiana to come out....

of my 4 *nix distros, Mint is my favorite one...sleek, fast, & light on resources....

tommy

Hmm, it's not so light anymore.
Mint 15 and 16 used 280-290MB RAM (idle, after boot)
Mint 17 uses 340-350MB RAM...
Both cinnamon x64.
Ubuntu 13.04 and 13.10 used almost 450MB, 14.04 uses 400MB...

Used to be as light as Xubuntu (but better!) now it's heavier. Maybe because it's a RC and not final, i don't know


Most people have 8GB of ram or more now days so it's not really an issue, but even if you only have 4GB it's still not an issue.
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby BRM BRM on Wed May 14, 2014 12:43 pm

Doesn't matter even on 2GB, but it's still heavier (or less optimized) without a known/noticable reason.
Maybe it's cinnamon 2.2?
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby rockadile on Wed May 14, 2014 3:07 pm

nobby.uk wrote:yes, the proxy issue is in 16 as well, but at least with 16 you click on, close the window and the proxy settings were active.
With 17RC, they look to drop as soon as you close the Window.

Seems to be working for me. At least firefox can see it when I set it to use system proxy settings.
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby sloan on Wed May 14, 2014 4:22 pm

Bejje wrote:Nice download speed from http://artfiles.org/linuxmint.com/linux ... //testing/
downloading the RC at 11MB/s :) so basically maxing my 100Mbit line.


Great tip, Thanks. Took less then 3 minutes to download.
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby Bejje on Wed May 14, 2014 5:09 pm

I'm sorry to say, this realease, RC cinnamon 64-bit, has the same issue/bug as Ubuntu 14.04. That is that the whole OS crashes after installing the propreitary AMD drivers. My card is Radeon 5770, but I hear other AMD cards has the same issue.
So sadly I have to use Windows for a while since both Ubuntu and Mint has this issue.

Thats kind of strange though since both is a LTS realease and should be extra stable, but is much more unstable than previous releases dues to this. Guess no one at either Ubuntu nor Mint has tested many AMD cards with the propreitary drivers which should b the case when it's an LTS version.... bad work... back to Windows :(
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby rosswmcgee on Wed May 14, 2014 5:22 pm

I tried ubuntu 14.04 lts for days and could not get a good install, with many different unusable results, We have three AMD computers, so I am hoping mint

is aware of this and can fix it. I did try adjusting the 304 proprietary drivers on this Maya computer, resulted in a out of range on the monitor, so I had to do

a clean install. Does anyone know if Mint is aware and if so will they fix this? Otherwise AMD folks will be abandoned.

I wonder if the other Ubuntus are the same way? Lbuntu and xbuntu?
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby tdockery97 on Wed May 14, 2014 5:25 pm

I guess each machine is different. The proprietary drivers work perfectly with my AMD/ATI graphics chip. Its the default opensource radeon driver that doesn't work well for me. :roll:
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby Spearmint2 on Wed May 14, 2014 5:31 pm

This is what works for AMD onboard video Radeon chip using Mint 16.

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mint16@mint16 ~ $ inxi -G
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS780 [Radeon HD 3200]
           X.Org: 1.14.5 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,fglrx,vesa) Resolution: 1024x768@70.1hz
           GLX Renderer: N/A GLX Version: N/A


I had been using fglrx and it was working fine, but after some mint update or my update of Virtual Box, I had to use F1 TTY screen to uninstall the fglrx driver. Since this default works OK for all I do, I see no reason to try other drivers like the cccfglrx~ driver.
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby Bejje on Wed May 14, 2014 5:56 pm

Yes but why release a LTS version that crashes on severl computers? Since this is an RC I've tested i have no hope for the final realease since its a kernel version issue.
Same with Ubuntu. They release a LTS version that isn't working on many AMD cards. If this would have been Microsoft and WIndows, This would have been big news al over the world, Cause Microsoft would never realease a Windows versio with this severe kinds of kerner bugs..

This makes Linux looks bad :(
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby verden on Wed May 14, 2014 6:13 pm

I have the RC installed on my 2011 iMac and mid 2013 Macbook air, both are running great with one exception. the camera on my macbook air does not work with a message saying that there was "no device found".
Edit I also had to manually download the wireless driver for the Macbook air.
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby WinterTroubles on Wed May 14, 2014 6:13 pm

This makes Linux looks bad :(


It's usually a case of manufacturers not being willing to allow the open source community access to the code or providing propritory drivers to work with new kernels. It's the manufacturers failing to make work it not 'Linux'.

So maybe it's.. This makes AMD look bad?
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby BRM BRM on Wed May 14, 2014 6:49 pm

Indeed, it's AMDs fault. Intel and nvidia don't have this problems
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Re: Linux Mint 17 codenamed “Qiana”

Postby rosswmcgee on Wed May 14, 2014 7:01 pm

This is the first distro

I have had this problem

with so you are saying

AMlD is at fault for one

release only. Seems

unlikely.
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