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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby craig10x on Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:46 pm

note to Hugo....you most certainly can have the top panel "autohide" very simple in fact....you just go to the gnome 3 extensions site (it now has 1 click install)....and turn on the "auto hide the top panel" extension...it will activate instantly and adds it to your list in the "gnome tweaks"...it works fantastically and regains your upper space...but just by pointing your mouse arrow at any time, you can access anything you need up there...


(Special note: if you use that site, you need to do it with firefox...at present there is a "bug" that will prevent you from installing from there if you use Chrome...)

Also...to all those who have said that mint 12 is totally unusable...a big regression from gnome 2, etc...i really don't see what you are talking about...it's just as easy to use and as functional as prior mint versions...so unless it's hardware issue on your own computer, i really don't get all your complaining...

Gnome 3 is here to stay...accept it and move on...if you can't..then you will need to go to a different de like kde, xfce, etc....

Some people just can't stand any change...quite unfortunate really.... :roll:

Sure there is some bugs...but no doubt they will get ironed out with updates in time...

Also, Mint 13 will be returning to just 1 panel on bottom and improved gnome 3 mint menu as well... :)

Mate might be ok, but i tend to doubt it's longevity, quite frankly...
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby rfd on Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:30 pm

lemme preface the below outpouring of my mint12 frustrations by saying that there IS much good within the mint devs and i heartily applaud the years of work that's gone into creating what i think is the best linux platform. mint10 is THE BEST linux distro around, bar none. it has everything most any type of user needs, does it fast, very stable, very user friendly and nicely tweakable for personal work aesthetics we all love in an os. a sincere "thank you, clem & company'. now with that disclaimer aside, let's get down to brass tacks ...

Also...to all those who have said that mint 12 is totally unusable...a big regression from gnome 2, etc...i really don't see what you are talking about...it's just as easy to use and as functional as prior mint versions...so unless it's hardware issue on your own computer, i really don't get all your complaining...

you'd hafta be on drugs to think that mint12/gnome3 is some sort of "improvement" over mint10/gnome2 - the two are leagues apart in every respect imaginable for both newbie and seasoned linux user. so i say to you - it was a mistake, go fix it, put up a warning about it b4 downloading, offer the m10 alternative for amd/ati users, or just take the damn thing offline until it works with most everyone's hardware and is as user friendly, and is as functionally compatible and productive as m10. else mint will lose out on newbies who will ditch this m12 krap and move to other linux platforms, perhaps without understanding m10 is what they really NEED, at least for now.

Gnome 3 is here to stay...accept it and move on...if you can't..then you will need to go to a different de like kde, xfce, etc....

no way sport, i don't need to accept junk - YOU can if you like, but not me and probably a lot of other folks needing to use a pc more than 8 hours a day, 7 dayze a week. m10 will suffice me for a long time and by the time it's dead and buried SOMEONE will have created a proper gnome3 (or who knows, maybe gnome4). hope it'll be minty.

Some people just can't stand any change...quite unfortunate really.... :roll:

not at all. you and others need to get this straight - m12 SHOULD have NOTHING to do with "change" for change's sake - it's the developers who need to hear from the peeps in the trenches that they screwed up this time and released a new product that is less quality than their older products.

Sure there is some bugs...

i won't even reply to that silly statement.

... but no doubt they will get ironed out with updates in time...

i can wait, m10 is still cooking with gas.

Also, Mint 13 will be returning to just 1 panel on bottom and improved gnome 3 mint menu as well... :)

like that really matters most? there is a freakin' LOT more that m13 will need to provide for my thumbs up.

Mate might be ok, but i tend to doubt it's longevity, quite frankly...

if gnome3 is where it's GOING to be, screw mate. let's get the new little guy to work and play well with others - *particularly* newbies, who are the folks that will herald mint or dis it and move on. "patch up" thinking makes no sense and only corroborates a bad product from the get-to. m12 needed a slew more testing before it was unleashed as the latest mint flagship, that's sinking fast .....

as always, ymmv.



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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby Clyde on Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:56 pm

Congrats on LM12 Lisa ! ... noticed some prospective mentions about a version '13' too :wink:
... i'm still wading with Isadora 9 and the water is still very refreshing here :mrgreen:
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby craig10x on Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:40 pm

@rfd: if you think gnome 2 was so polished when it first came out...guess again...it had to evolve...so does gnome 3...don't be so quick to condemn...
well, you don't have to use it if you don't want to....I will and am very much enjoying it too... :mrgreen:

I think Clem did a terrific job with mint 12 especially considering the sudden change over to the new way...it will only get even better as time goes on...
Gnome3 is already becoming much more flexible then unity thanks to extensions...and more and more are being added all the time...

I also enjoyed previous gnome 2 editions of mint as you do...but i am moving in with the new...you can stay with the old :wink:
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby rfd on Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:59 pm

craig10x wrote:@rfd: if you think gnome 2 was so polished when it first came out...guess again...it had to evolve...so does gnome 3...don't be so quick to condemn...
well, you don't have to use it if you don't want to....I will and am very much enjoying it too... :mrgreen:

I think Clem did a terrific job with mint 12 especially considering the sudden change over to the new way...it will only get even better as time goes on...
Gnome3 is already becoming much more flexible then unity thanks to extensions...and more and more are being added all the time...

I also enjoyed previous gnome 2 editions of mint as you do...but i am moving in with the new...you can stay with the old :wink:


geez louise, no one's asking for "polished", i'm asking for FUNCTIONAL. m5 wasn't "polished", BUT it had functional attributes that g3 is still dreaming/developing over ... and m5 was very functional, whereas m12 isn't at all. at least not for folks that depend on their os for real world work usage - it makes absolutely no productive sense to migrate to an inferior platform. yeah, it's cool that there are os alternatives and while you grunts debug and polish m12 i'll sit in the wings and be productive with m10. to each their own. and thanx again clem and team for all you do, you *are* appreciated - but you blew it with m12, way too early in the os game.
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby nige on Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:47 pm

I have been using LM 11 for a little while. I have noticed a couple of comments regarding that there is no point upgrading to LM12. However, surely it is an advance on LM11. Can I do a simple install, upgrade to LM12, which will leave all my settings an data as it is with LM11 ? Or would I have to do a complete install and start from scratch. ? And if so is it better to do it from a LM12 disc (ie from the Linux magazine,) or download. ?

Cheers.
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby krustybaguette on Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:36 pm

rfd wrote:
craig10x wrote:@rfd: if you think gnome 2 was so polished when it first came out...guess again...it had to evolve...so does gnome 3...don't be so quick to condemn...

I also enjoyed previous gnome 2 editions of mint as you do...but i am moving in with the new...you can stay with the old :wink:


geez louise, no one's asking for "polished", i'm asking for FUNCTIONAL. m5 wasn't "polished", BUT it had functional attributes that g3 is still dreaming/developing over ... and m5 was very functional, whereas m12 isn't at all. at least not for folks that depend on their os for real world work usage - it makes absolutely no productive sense to migrate to an inferior platform. yeah, it's cool that there are os alternatives and while you grunts debug and polish m12 i'll sit in the wings and be productive with m10. to each their own. and thanx again clem and team for all you do, you *are* appreciated - but you blew it with m12, way too early in the os game.


I need functional as well. I carefully followed the upgrade instructions backing up my home to a separate partition and backing up my software selection. It was time consuming as I backed up stuff I could easily have ditched, but it seemed to work...at first. Then I began noticing the bugs...giant hidden in the jungle unknown species type bugs.

1. I'm the only user/administrator on my system but nautilus informs me I cannot change permissions because I am not "root"
2. My screen goes haywire for no apparent reasons with diagonal slashmarks across it.
3. I have lost "Paste Into Folder" as an option when cutting/copying and pasting files from my desktop to their more permanent location in my home.
4. My old home folder was my username. New home is Home which creates conflicts.
5. I've lost the ability to Print to PDF...one of the great features (before) in every Linux distro I've ever tried.
6. Trying to remove CUPS to reinstall only gets parts of CUPS install.
7. Getting WINE working is always a problem as Mint repositories are way behind, and getting the latest from WINE HQ broke some of my WINE apps. I hope I saved the version I've been using which works pretty well. 1.3.15

There have been other problems but what I really need to know is if I can easily revert to LM10 or LM11 by using the backed up /home and software selection that I used when "upgrading" to LM12. I could manually copy a couple of files, including my Thunderbird profile back to the backed up /home partition and then reinstall the older version. I just need to know if the Backup Tool in LM10 or LM11 will work with the existing backed up home and software selections which were based on LM11.

I'm a little removed from being a newbie but still learning. One thing I learned from this experience is IF YOU DON'T NEED TO UPGRADE DON'T! I've seen that warning but for newbies or folks who've been programmed to upgrade to the latest version (especially when it promises improvements) that point can't be emphasized enough. I think I still have my LM10 and LM11 CD/DVD's around. I'm going back to whichever promises to be the "stable release."

I hope this doesn't sound too "ranty" as I love MINT in general but I'm all done with upgrades for the foreseeable future. I've wondered why some folks who post in this forum are still back on versions prior to LM10. Now I think I know why.
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby wolverine_tech on Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:10 am

nige wrote:I have been using LM 11 for a little while. I have noticed a couple of comments regarding that there is no point upgrading to LM12. However, surely it is an advance on LM11. Can I do a simple install, upgrade to LM12, which will leave all my settings an data as it is with LM11 ? Or would I have to do a complete install and start from scratch. ? And if so is it better to do it from a LM12 disc (ie from the Linux magazine,) or download. ?

Cheers.


Hi,

Personally, I prefer to do a clean install when 'upgrading'. Especially considering the massive changes implemented in GNOME 3.

I cannot answer whether the "LM12 disc (ie from the Linux magazine,)" has a different ISO image from the one on the website. I've downloaded & installed from the Mint website & it's been running pretty well. (Note: On my ThinkPad, the trackpad and mic did not work during the first set of upgrades post-installation. But, after a restart everything works. (The mouse did work while the trackpad was unresponsive, so I had no issues.)

Of course, regardless how you choose to upgrade, please remember to make a backup, then backup the back, then backup the backup of the backup ... :) you get the picture...

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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby caf4926 on Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:23 am

It's worth mentioning I think, that my main OS is openSUSE, but I always have a couple of installs of Mint in the mix. Using 11 on my box and I just installed 12 on my G550.

I have to say, especially as I see way too much hyperbole about the inadequacies of Mint 12, that I find Mint 12 fabulous.
Of all the distros out there using Gnome 3, this is way out in front.
It's a fantastic job that has been done in the name of usability and I praise you for it! Well done.

At least I can still push Mint to friends (which I often do). I'd put it down as probably the top distro out there, especially when you take in to account new users, Mint is really user friendly.
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby wolverine_tech on Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:25 am

krustybaguette wrote:5. I've lost the ability to Print to PDF...one of the great features (before) in every Linux distro I've ever tried.


I use the Print to File option and save the document as a PDF file. But yes, the one-click print-to-pdf function would be nice.
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby wolverine_tech on Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:34 am

caf4926 wrote:It's worth mentioning I think, that my main OS is openSUSE, but I always have a couple of installs of Mint in the mix. Using 11 on my box and I just installed 12 on my G550.

I have to say, especially as I see way too much hyperbole about the inadequacies of Mint 12, that I find Mint 12 fabulous.
Of all the distros out there using Gnome 3, this is way out in front.
It's a fantastic job that has been done in the name of usability and I praise you for it! Well done.

At least I can still push Mint to friends (which I often do). I'd put it down as probably the top distro out there, especially when you take in to account new users, Mint is really user friendly.


Same here. While Debian is my first love (distro-wise :) ) I'm impressed by the thought put into the Mint releases and the way the devs respond to the community's feedback. Regarding Mint 12, I might be crazy but I quite dig Gnome-shell. After installing Cairo-Dock and GNOME-Do, I feel zero loss of functionality. And there are those Shell extensions (https://extensions.gnome.org/) to help with the transition...

Major kudos to the devs...
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby krustybaguette on Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:34 pm

wolverine_tech wrote:
krustybaguette wrote:5. I've lost the ability to Print to PDF...one of the great features (before) in every Linux distro I've ever tried.


I use the Print to File option and save the document as a PDF file. But yes, the one-click print-to-pdf function would be nice.
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Didn't work for me. Now I've gone all the way back to Isadora (LM9) as it's the stable release supported until Spring of 2013.
Unfortunately I lost some data when I changed my home from a directory to /home and used the partition that held my LM11 backup. I left "format" unchecked in the hope it would leave my data intact...but it didn't. I may look around and see if there's some data recovery software that will bring it back. I did have most of my data saved elsewhere, so it's not a total loss. Mostly just email from last March until yesterday. Naturally there are other issues to resolve but I'm glad to have Gnome 2 back in all its familiarity! Perhaps I'll install G3 as an alternative after I hear about bugs being worked out.

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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby rfd on Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:15 pm

krustybaguette wrote:...
Unfortunately I lost some data when I changed my home from a directory to /home and used the partition that held my LM11 backup. I left "format" unchecked in the hope it would leave my data intact...but it didn't. I may look around and see if there's some data recovery software that will bring it back. I did have most of my data saved elsewhere, so it's not a total loss. Mostly just email from last March until yesterday. Naturally there are other issues to resolve but I'm glad to have Gnome 2 back in all its familiarity! Perhaps I'll install G3 as an alternative after I hear about bugs being worked out.

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you must ALWAYS back up ALL important data on a "regular" basis - for me, that means the most sensitive monetary based data gets externally backed up immediately to thumb drives (all encrypted, of course). i have a listing of all other huge data repositories and back them up to an external hd less often. EVERYTHING gets backed up yet again whenever a massive change is in the works, such as installing/migrating a different os.
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby rhY on Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:30 pm

caf4926 wrote:Of all the distros out there using Gnome 3, this is way out in front.


LOL. What a qualifier! Of all the distros out there that totally suck, this is way out in front.

Not that I'm still complaining. I'm stoked that Clem is making cinnamon to address the NUMEROUS issues in gnome 3 and Mint 12, and very much looking forward to Mint 13 and beyond. Mint 12 will just be Mint ME, before a killer Mint XP shows up. :)
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby archiegoodwin on Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:24 am

Re: Follow-up on screen lock-up. This continues to plague me. I use the suggested "sudo service lightdm restart" to re-boot the GUI, but the lock-ups now occur several times a day. One thing I have noticed is that the lock-ups always occur when I am playing a video (I subscribe to several video podcasts, and playing videos is an essential part of what I do with my laptop). Sometimes it happens when just the video is playing, but usually when I have other applications open, e.g. Open Office, Firefox, etc., while the video is playing. My Toshiba has an ATI card, and I suspect that might be the problem. Any fixes coming, or any suggestions anyone? Is it an ATI problem? Is it a Linux kernel problem? Is it a Gnome 3 problem?
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby Hugo Notte on Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:39 am

andreamarts24 wrote:Wow! Glad to hear about the newly released Linux Mint! I am very much interested about Linux mint because my friend ask me to visit this forum. By the way I don't know on how to set up Linux Mint anyone will help me??


What do you mean, how to set it up? Do you need help installing it? Best might be to go to one of the more involved reviews, some of which explain very nicely the installation process step by step with screen shots. Have a look here http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/11/30/linux-mint-12/ for an english review or here http://www.zdnet.de/magazin/41558311/ubuntu-noch-mal-verbessert-linux-mint-12-im-praxistest.htm in case you speak German.

Good luck & enjoy...
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby dagon on Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:14 am

Hugo Notte wrote:
andreamarts24 wrote:Wow! Glad to hear about the newly released Linux Mint! I am very much interested about Linux mint because my friend ask me to visit this forum. By the way I don't know on how to set up Linux Mint anyone will help me??


What do you mean, how to set it up? Do you need help installing it? Best might be to go to one of the more involved reviews, some of which explain very nicely the installation process step by step with screen shots. Have a look here http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/11/30/linux-mint-12/ for an english review or here http://www.zdnet.de/magazin/41558311/ubuntu-noch-mal-verbessert-linux-mint-12-im-praxistest.htm in case you speak German.

Good luck & enjoy...


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andreamarts24 is a spammer. sorry...
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby Miami592 on Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:22 am

dagon wrote:Hi!
andreamarts24 is a spammer. sorry...


My thoughts exactly!

Definately a SPAM sig line.
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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby Aging Technogeek on Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:40 am

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Re: Linux Mint 12 "Lisa" released!

Postby xpmon on Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:02 am

installed mint4win lisa on windows 7 after a problem I had to do a clean install of windows
except linuxmint files is still there as well as the option of it in the boot menu
sorta scared to see what happens if I try to open it.

also as I mentioned a clean install of windows so there is no mention in the program list to
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