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Postby clem on Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:32 am

By the way.. did you notice iPods don't have legs?

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trying to make his way into the fortune database.. :lol:
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Postby npap on Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:32 am

OK fellows.

Thanks for an interesting, educational and amusing conversation. Perhaps, there ought to be a heading called 'Amusement' or something to that effect.

We all have a need to get away from reality at times and enjoy a good laugh. I
really head a good laugh with Clem's add on: 'Twenty Thousand Leaks Under The Sea'
As for sorp123, I think he is very good with humor besides the computer stuff.

Since this a Users' Permissions topic, it allows me to feel free to post another joke that came to my mind:

Kids' conversation
"My Dad got me a new mouse that's got no tail"
" Gee! Tell him he got a broken one" I got one that's got a tail and two tenticles, too" .
All in good and clean humor.
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Postby npap on Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:55 am

npap wrote: Oh, what the heck! This is all Greek. Who wants to bother with it!

Me! :lol: I sometimes really regret for not having learned classic old Greek in school. It is said that this language is one of the most structured and logic languages that ever existed, even more than Latin. And Latin already had some interesting features, e.g. that you could litterally exchange the word order of any sentence any way you wished: it would still keep its original meaning 8) ... Try that with English or with C++ and you're in for some trouble :lol:

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Hi scorp123,
Glad to hear that somebody would appreciate mastering ancient Greek and Latin. I had both in high school.
But to tell you the truth, I don't think I was very good at either one. The expression 'It's all Greek to me' is not really a joke.
Greek is just as hard to master as mathematics. You have to take a real interest in both, to begin with.

Whatever I know about Greek philosophers, for example, I got it from books written in English.

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Postby clem on Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:20 am

Cases --> more complexity means more flexibility.

It's funny to see how differently Indo-European languages evolved and how some of them kept the use of cases and others replaced it with articles, in-sentence location and ordering. Look at French for instance: a strict sequence of words in order and nearly no cases at all.

Thanks to a trivial grammar it's really easy to understand French. (of course "conjugaison" makes it really hard to speak :)).

Most of the French vocabulary comes from Latin, but when you look at its grammar.. Jesus.. it just lost all of it :)

We might say the same of American when compared to English in a thousand years... look at the similarities in the vocabulary, but where is the grammar gone ?? :)

PS: This is definitely an interesting thread.
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Postby npap on Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:41 am

clem wrote:Cases --> more complexity means more flexibility.

It's funny to see how differently Indo-European languages evolved and how some of them kept the use of cases and others replaced it with articles, in-sentence location and ordering. Look at French for instance: a strict sequence of words in order and nearly no cases at all.

Thanks to a trivial grammar it's really easy to understand French. (of course "conjugaison" makes it really hard to speak :)).

Most of the French vocabulary comes from Latin, but when you look at its grammar.. Jesus.. it just lost all of it :)

We might say the same of American when compared to English in a thousand years... look at the similarities in the vocabulary, but where is the grammar gone ?? :)

PS: This is definitely an interesting thread.
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Hello Clem,
The old world has a lot to teach the new one. This definitely is an interesting thread. Linguistics is an interesting subject. And since Linux MInt seems to have a worldwide acceptance, it would be interesting to see the opinion of other people in the wide world web.
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Postby hairy_Palms on Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:17 pm

We might say the same of American when compared to English in a thousand years... look at the similarities in the vocabulary, but where is the grammar gone ??


the spellings already gone :)
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Postby npap on Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:10 pm

Hello hairy Palms,

Perhaps, if they did away with the crazy spelling of many languages there wouldn't be many illiterates in the world.
Latin is a good example of sensible spelling. It's a WYSIWYG system. You read
what you write, (you spel it the wey you speek it). It looks funny, doesn't it.

But does it make sense to use different sounds for the same letter? For example:
'a' as in bath and 'a' as in bathe, and 'a ' as in bear.
' i ' as in eye and ' i ' as in bit.
'e' as in bed and 'e' as in see.
' s ' as in chess and ' s ' as in Zoo.
And when do you use two Rs or two Ms or two Ts or two Ss ?
To me, all of this stuff is nonsense.

I think some written languages were made up by illiterates, or maybe by smart people who didn't like the idea of everybody knowing Reading , Writing and Rithmitic.

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Postby clem on Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:25 pm

They were not "made"... they just "got there".

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Postby npap on Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:51 am

clem wrote:They were not "made"... they just "got there".

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Hello Clem,
Since the stuff got into the recycle bin or trash can by accident, maybe it's time to empty it.

This topic, by the way, ended up to be what it was not meant for; just like language spelling.
But, oltho i am an advoket of languej accurasy, i think English is not a gud kandidet for any linguistik kontest.
I'm afraid French also falls in the same category to some extent.

Greek is an exception since it's based on definite rules, although these rules are just as complicated as lawyer jargon: the party of the first part and the party of the second part. Maybe they should have a party with a lot of whiskey or Cogniac. They would find the best settlement, I'm sure.

Languages are supposed to be tools of communication , and since our civilization is based on the accurate exchange of ideas, we should at least upgrade the system.
I realize that this would be the greatest revolution of the ages. Poor Socrates would stir in his grave to hear about such a movement, although he himself was a revolutionary to begin with.
He was forced to commit suicide by drinking a poison because he "introduced new daemons" , ( the word Daemons meant Gods of some kind). Or was it that he was starting some sort of revolution?
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P.S. Would it be possible to move the contents of the threads that are not related to the topic of ' User Permissions' to a special, new heading? I would suggest using the 'General Talk' heading again.
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Postby npap on Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:55 am

rlozano wrote:LoL...

such a funny and very informative discussion around here.... :-)


Thanks riozano,
Perhaps you have something interesting to say from your part of the word.
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Postby clem on Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:26 am

Khaire Npap,

I sometimes move threads in the right sub-forums, but if there's a bit of chaos in one of them it's not a big deal. :)

If you're interested in artificial languages I recommend you learn Esperanto. It's 100% logical, modular and also very flexible. Without the use of cases (well.. almost) they managed to give sentences a lot of flexibility in the placing of their words.

But it's like everything. Without imperfections.. you can't see the beauty. Esperanto is very well though of, it's universal and almost-universally easy to learn, it's logical...etc... but it's not that funny to use.

We can princess all we want about the imperfections and illogical things in French writing, English pronunciation, or even about the complexity of Latin grammar.. in the end of the day they're languages which are very nice to use.. and very beautiful too.

These languages are only human after all and that makes them beautiful.

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