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[RESOLVED] -how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:42 pm

((To those who just need a quick ans: apparently it takes forever to make a NTFS slice with the LMDE loader. Don't try to make your /home NTFS! Leave some disk space unallocated and create your NTFS slice later after the installation with gparted, if you think you need one. You don't nec need one if you want to create a VM for Windows. You can share folders from Linux so that the Windows VM can use them.))

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I'm in the middle on an installation. I used the partition tool to create:

/ on sda1 as ext4 (12.5G)
swap (whatever)
/home on sda3 as NTFS (about 530G)

When I hit install, it formatted sda1 pretty fast, however....

/dev/sda3 is taking forever to format as NTFS. Its a lot larger, but....??

(NOTE: YOu do have to tell the installer to format BOTH / and the new /home, right? Or was I only supposed to format /? I may be dreaming, but with a clean install on the entire disk I thought you mark both slices for formatting.)

Thanks, appreciate (I hope) a fast response.

Kim
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby wayne128 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:51 pm

Quick test on a USB drive.

Formatting 420G to NTFS took 4-5 seconds, using gparted ( libparted version 3.1)
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:57 pm

Hey wayne128, nice to "see" you again...

Well, this jewel is still hanging on "formatting /dev/sda3 as NTFS...."

I've ironed 2 shirts and took the dog out. Way more than 2-3 seconds....

Sigh...

I do format both / and /home? (Logically, yes, but it was curious that right before the install of LMDE, it lists the actions its going to do, and only "/" was to be formatted. So I went back and set /home (the ntfs) to format, as well....then the summary of actions said it would format "/" and "/home". I doubly made sure that I left the slice selection on sda1 "/" so that the OS would get dumped there.

Kim

Ah, that's way more than 4-5 seconds, sorry.
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby Monsta on Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:01 am

Run the installer from the terminal:
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gksu live-installer
and post the output here.
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:02 am

FYI, saw this in syslog:

Aug 4 03:23:23 localhost kernel: [ 193.265654] EXT4-fs (sda3): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
Aug 4 03:24:42 localhost kernel: [ 272.115268] JFS: nTxBlock = 8192, nTxLock = 65536
Aug 4 03:24:42 localhost kernel: [ 272.364369] SGI XFS with ACLs, security attributes, realtime, large block/inode numbers, no debug enabled
Aug 4 03:26:05 localhost kernel: [ 355.288115] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
Aug 4 03:26:05 localhost ntfs-3g[5588]: Version 2013.1.13AR.1 external FUSE 29
Aug 4 03:26:05 localhost ntfs-3g[5588]: Mounted /dev/sda3 (Read-Write, label "/home", NTFS 3.1)
Aug 4 03:26:05 localhost ntfs-3g[5588]: Cmdline options: rw
Aug 4 03:26:05 localhost ntfs-3g[5588]: Mount options: rw,allow_other,nonempty,relatime,fsname=/dev/sda3,blkdev,blksize=4096
Aug 4 03:26:05 localhost ntfs-3g[5588]: Ownership and permissions disabled, configuration type 7
Aug 4 03:26:05 localhost ntfs-3g[5588]: Unmounting /dev/sda3 (/home)
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:04 am

Will do on running from the terminal. This is my second attempt at installing; last time I couldn't kill off the installer. Is it okay to kill the PID for formatting /dev/sda3?
Kim

UPDATE: No pids running, will run from terminal...

update 2 , looks like I'm going to have to start from scratch and shutdown altogether. Hanging at the Harddrive selection.
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:21 am

Okay, after a hard shutdown....

We're in:

First thing I saw after selecting the harddrive, prob since it can't tell what it is format-wise:

Color: #ff2a2a
Image: /usr/share/live-installer/timezone/timezone_-5.0.png
Failed to mount /dev/sda3
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby wayne128 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:23 am

I have NEVER use /home
So I don't know if /home can be in a NTFS file system.

All the time i used data partition in NTFS or FAT and keep home inside / ( so it is always in linux file system).

Google a bit, many people asked and lots said no for /home on NTFS or FAT

What they said is, use linux native file system like etx2,3... for /home
and symlink to a data partition, in NTFS or FAT..
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:25 am

This might be something: Should I label that large NTFS filesystem as Extended or Primary? Won't let me call it a logical

Oh, thanks Wayne. Maybe that's it. I thought of that--maybe doesn't like "home", but then I thought the label shouldn't really matter...??
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby wayne128 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:32 am

Label should not matter.

Think you should avoid /home on NTFS.


btw, NTFS can live in anywhere, Primary or Logical, internal or external, msdos or GPT

Just look at this computer I am running,
three ntfs partitions
in Primary (/dev/sda3), for Win7
logical (/dev/sda5) as data partition internal hard disk
and GPT (/dev/sdb) as data partition external USB drive.


device fs_type label mount point UUID
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/dev/sda3 ntfs Win7 (not mounted) 2EB8B1A9B8B16FC7

/dev/sda5 ntfs data i5 (not mounted) 6D1196107DE10A73

/dev/sdb7 ntfs Data Fujitsu (not mounted) 37C6F0073A5F6791
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:42 am

Wayne, so I just call it data, then mount it to /home later...

I tried to change it to /data. Good news is, the final summary before installation said it would format both / and /data. The bad news is, it still sits at formatting /dev/sda3 as ntfs...

## INSTALLATION
Template path: /usr/share/live-installer/slideshow/template.html
Content path does not exist: /usr/share/live-installer/slideshow/office.html
--> Installation started
EXECUTING: 'mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1'
EXECUTING: 'mkfs.ntfs /dev/sda3'


That's it. Just sits there

Kim

Forgot to add this fm syslog:

Aug 4 04:31:26 localhost ntfs-3g[6020]: Mount options: rw,allow_other,nonempty,relatime,fsname=/dev/sda3,blkdev,blksize=4096
Aug 4 04:31:26 localhost ntfs-3g[6020]: Ownership and permissions disabled, configuration type 7
Aug 4 04:31:27 localhost ntfs-3g[6020]: Unmounting /dev/sda3 (/data)
Aug 4 04:37:29 localhost kernel: [ 1286.004138] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
Aug 4 04:37:30 localhost ntfs-3g[6371]: Version 2013.1.13AR.1 external FUSE 29
Aug 4 04:37:30 localhost ntfs-3g[6371]: Mounted /dev/sda3 (Read-Write, label "", NTFS 3.1)
Aug 4 04:37:30 localhost ntfs-3g[6371]: Cmdline options: rw
Aug 4 04:37:30 localhost ntfs-3g[6371]: Mount options: rw,allow_other,nonempty,relatime,fsname=/dev/sda3,blkdev,blksize=4096
Aug 4 04:37:30 localhost ntfs-3g[6371]: Ownership and permissions disabled, configuration type 7
Aug 4 04:37:30 localhost ntfs-3g[6371]: Unmounting /dev/sda3 ()
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby wayne128 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:09 am

May be you get stuck due to the slide show

a few how to in the forum, here is one
viewtopic.php?t=119215&f=46



Try this, uninstall slide show before starting installer

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sudo apt-get remove ubiquity-slideshow-mint
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:19 am

I wish that were it, Wayne128....

I gave up.

Had to hard shutdown again, but brought it back up, deleted *everything* and rebuilt it with /home and ext4.

Now its loading just fine.

I opened the "help" on the partition tool and, it may be just a slip, but the guide did not list ntfs as an option. Only fat16 and 32.

Hmmm......

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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby wayne128 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:29 am

I always prepare partitions first, before running installation.

Less drama.

What is the distros / DE/ iso you are installing??
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:36 am

I chuckled on the "less drama" line. Made me smile after a hard night of installing...

I'm using the LMDE that I burned about 3-4 weeks ago. I used this same disc to install LMDE on my laptop.

I seriously thought of just installing LM 17 Qiana instead, and running LMDE in virtual for the next couple of years until LMDE grew up some more. Maybe I should have....

The rolling distro tempted me to the dark side.

I'm off to night-night. Its nearly 2 a.m. here.

Kim
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby eanfrid on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:43 am

Never even try to use NTFS as a file system for a Linux base. NTFS ignores Linux permissions and then neither / nor /home can use NTFS because permissions would not be set properly. Keep some empty space on your disk during installation instead. When your OS is installed, you will be able to use gparted to create additional partitions in the empty space with whatever file system you want.
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby Monsta on Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:49 am

wayne128 wrote:May be you get stuck due to the slide show

a few how to in the forum, here is one
viewtopic.php?t=119215&f=46



Try this, uninstall slide show before starting installer

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sudo apt-get remove ubiquity-slideshow-mint

Not relevant in LMDE at all.
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby Monsta on Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:12 am

titianmom wrote:/dev/sda3 is taking forever to format as NTFS.

I've tried to reproduce your case in a virtual machine, with a small (8 Gb) NTFS partition. The formatting really takes a lot more time than, say, ext4. But it succeeded in the end in my case. No errors.

So... you have to be patient with your large partition... :)

But the important question is, why you'd want your /home on NTFS anyway?
Do you really want the messed up ownership and permissions (as eanfrid mentioned)? :)

Here's what you will get:
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monsta@lmde ~ $ ls -al
total 36
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Aug  4 11:12 .
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 Aug  4 11:05 ..
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root  220 Aug  4 11:05 .bash_logout
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1781 Aug  4 11:05 .bashrc
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root  360 Aug  4 11:11 .cache
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root  496 Aug  4 11:11 .config
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Aug  4 11:11 .dbus
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Aug  4 11:11 Desktop
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Aug  4 11:11 Documents
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Aug  4 11:11 Downloads
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6137 Aug  4 11:05 .face
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   92 Aug  4 11:11 .fonts.conf -> /home/monsta/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root  144 Aug  4 11:12 .gconf
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root  310 Aug  4 11:11 .ICEauthority
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root  360 Aug  4 11:11 .linuxmint
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Feb 28 04:32 .local
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Feb 28 04:39 .mate2
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Feb 28 04:38 .mozilla
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Aug  4 11:11 Music
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Aug  4 11:11 Pictures
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root  675 Aug  4 11:05 .profile
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Aug  4 11:11 Public
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Aug  4 11:11 Templates
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root    5 Aug  4 11:11 .vboxclient-clipboard.pid
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root    5 Aug  4 11:11 .vboxclient-display.pid
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root    5 Aug  4 11:11 .vboxclient-draganddrop.pid
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root    5 Aug  4 11:11 .vboxclient-seamless.pid
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root    0 Aug  4 11:11 Videos
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4615 Aug  4 11:11 .xsession-errors
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby wayne128 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:33 am

Monsta wrote:
wayne128 wrote:May be you get stuck due to the slide show

a few how to in the forum, here is one
viewtopic.php?t=119215&f=46



Try this, uninstall slide show before starting installer

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sudo apt-get remove ubiquity-slideshow-mint

Not relevant in LMDE at all.



Thanks Monsta for pointing it out.
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Re: Urgent-how long should a NTFS slice take to format??

Postby titianmom on Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:32 am

Ah, so much good info, here. Guess no one else stays up to 2 a.m. local to load machines, ha! (Except those in the far east....)

I appreciate everyone's input. I'm learning about windows and ntfs, et al; new to it.

So, it makes more sense to wait until you're installed to set up a ntfs filesys. Good to know.

What I want to do is set up Windows 7 as a VM with Virtual Box. I had this wild idea that I could use the files created in Linux also in the Windows VM if everything was ntfs--which I'm told, Linux filesystems work under ntfs. But apparently it does have limitations according to info in this thread.

You're saying I'd be better off to not allocate the rest of the disk to /home (ext4), but to leave some space unallocated, then after installation, create a ntfs slice where I can dump files that both Linux and the Windows VM can access/manipulate.

Correct?
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