i'm finding the software choice too restricting !

[ChickenPie4Tea]

I have just moved from Mint 10 as It was being left behind with regard to later apps - I was having to stick with older apps and desktops eg Fluxbox is now 1.3 but I could only get 1.1
However I am finding this later release based on Debian to be worse in some cases - some programs are just not there at all eg Double commander and I read you shouldn't use ubuntu ppas so I cant get it at all.

[kc1di]

I have just moved from Mint 10 as It was being left behind with regard to later apps - I was having to stick with older apps and desktops eg Fluxbox is now 1.3 but I could only get 1.1
However I am finding this later release based on Debian to be worse in some cases - some programs are just not there at all eg Double commander and I read you shouldn't use ubuntu ppas so I cant get it at all.

Hi ChickenPie4Tea,

Well if I,m correct your using LMDE. LMDE is based on Debian which is not as up to date as say LinuxMint 13. packages tend to be one or two cycles old by the time they make it into the repositories. The trade off is you have a very stable system and it's a rolling release cycle so you should never have to reinstall.
If you need the newer packages then you'll have to go with Mint 12 or 13 to get them.

I've used ubuntu ppa's with Linux mint in the past but you have to be very careful as to which ones you choose some of them will break your system.

I'm not familar with double commander so can't be of help there.

Cheers ,
Dave

[ChickenPie4Tea]

yes I realize the apps wont be quite as new as the ones for mint 12 but I did think it would be more up to date than mint 10 !
so far I am finding it worse - Wine - not there at all - double commander - kdelive is a older version than I was using on mint 10- also and others I forget. I just didnt think It would feel more restricted than using an older mint like ver 10

[kc1di]

I understand the frustration but it is what it is.
You can install wine quite easily , though it's not in Debian's repositories at the moment
I used Ubuntu PPA's and installed wine 1.3 it works fine on LMDE
here's how:

https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
I used the 11.10 version.

Cheers!

[Brian49]

I recommend that you search this forum for further advice on how to install Wine; it has been referred to many times.

[craigevil]

I understand the frustration but it is what it is.
You can install wine quite easily , though it's not in Debian's repositories at the moment
I used Ubuntu PPA's and installed wine 1.3 it works fine on LMDE
here's how:

https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
I used the 11.10 version.

Cheers!

DO NOT INSTALL UBUNTU PACKAGES ON DEBIAN!!!

Search the forum, how to install newer versions of wine have been covered many times.

As for Double Commander never heard of it but looking at the webpage, take a look at:
Tux Commander is a windowed file manager with 2 panels side
by side similar to popular Total Commander or Midnight
Commander file managers.
.
General features:
* Two directory panels side by side (vertical)
* Tabbed interface, buttons for quick access to favorite
places
* Configurable mounter bar for quick access to removable
media and network shares
* Multilingual user interface
* Extendable via plugin system
* Extension-based file type actions (associations)
Homepage: http://tuxcmd.sourceforge.net/

There is also Midnight Commander, and krusader for kde.

If you want newer packages track Debian unstable.

[kc1di]

I Knew someone would shout about not installing Ubuntu programs. but honestly I have had no problems with the wine packages and it's a lot easier to install and I have had bad problems with Debian unstable. So I still think other than installing it from scratch it's ok.

Just my opinion though. Everyone's got one.

[craigevil]

Linux Mint Forums • View topic - Why no Wine? [Solved] - viewtopic.php?f=190&t=101790&hilit=wine

1) build from source, always the best way to get the newer versions
2) use a 3rd party repo like Mepis that only has 2 packages to install to get a newer wine
3) use unstable and download wine from http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/
4) use Debian experimental which has wine 1.4
5) install from an Ubuntu PPA and risk screwing up your system

Trust me in the eight years I have ran Debian sid, I have seen many many people totally trash their system by using Ubuntu packages. It is not something you want to do, unless you like reinstalling. Sure sid has issues, but no more than Testing. I see more people having issues running Debian Testing than I do with people running sid.

[hinto]

You can point your sources.list to SID (or siduction) and get newer packages.
Ubuntu (and it's children) are based on sid + testing(where sid fails) + backports.

This is the way Debian (not LMDE is).
-Hinto

[Brian49]

use Debian experimental which has wine 1.4

As far as I can see, that isn't possible at the moment, as the core Wine packages have libwine-gecko as a dependency, and v.1.4 of that isn't yet in the repository.

[zerozero]

kdelive is a older version than I was using on mint 10- also and others I forget. I just didnt think It would feel more restricted than using an older mint like ver 10

this makes no sense
kdenlive in debian
kdenlive in ubuntu
then you have sunab's ppa of course but even there you won't get newer than in sid/experimental (remember, ubuntu uses testing/sid/experimental releases and then mix&match)

[...] but honestly I have had no problems with the wine packages and it's a lot easier to install [...]

the question is, while is your system that you are breaking, fine! the moment you start giving those advises to others, not so fine!

[craigevil]

Kdenlive | Free and open source video editor for GNU/Linux, Mac OS X and FreeBSD - http://www.kdenlive.org/

Latest version is Kdenlive 0.9, released in may 2012,

Package kdenlive

squeeze (stable) (video): a non-linear video editor
0.7.8-1: amd64 armel i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
wheezy (testing) (video): non-linear video editor
0.8.2.1-2: amd64 armel armhf i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 s390x sparc
sid (unstable) (video): non-linear video editor
0.9-1: alpha amd64 armel armhf hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 s390x sparc

Meant for Stable but most of the points will apply to Testing as well:
Howto get newer package versions for Debian Stable - https://www.linuxquestions.org/question ... ble-34611/
Howto: Set up and Maintain a Mixed Testing/Unstable System
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 12&p=76067

Edit: Just wanted to point out Synaptic shows I have access to 38487 packages.