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Re: Weird suggested upgrade for Virtualbox...

Postby gosa on Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:58 pm

acerimusdux wrote:But in this case, you should realize that the package in question is not coming from Mint developers, maintainers, or repositories.


- Really?

I was under the impression that as long as I don't add the repositories available from Oracle/Virtualbox to my sources.list the things I download and install is somehow controlled by either the Mint Team or by Debian? Maybe I wasn't clear about that - I have made no alterations whatsoever to my sources.list. It's 100% LMDE (the latest RC)

About the rest - I do understand these points and I do understand that Ubuntu originates from Debian but also - as I wrote in my two "points" - as I understand it you do not want something coming from the ubuntu repositories when running Debian. This is why I'm writing here, asking questions.

It does not appear normal to me that - trying to follow the "prefer Mint, Prefer Debian" I still get Ubuntu. By what I learned the ubuntu version should not be available in the repos for LMDE, but it is.
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Re: Weird suggested upgrade for Virtualbox...

Postby acerimusdux on Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:33 pm

gosa wrote:
acerimusdux wrote:But in this case, you should realize that the package in question is not coming from Mint developers, maintainers, or repositories.


- Really?

I was under the impression that as long as I don't add the repositories available from Oracle/Virtualbox to my sources.list the things I download and install is somehow controlled by either the Mint Team or by Debian? Maybe I wasn't clear about that - I have made no alterations whatsoever to my sources.list. It's 100% LMDE (the latest RC)


Well, yeah, your sources.list has this from virtualbox.org:

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deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib


I'm not sure if that's coming from a release candidate or not, but anything not from linuxmint.com probably isn't directly from Mint, and anything not from debian.org probably isn't directly from Debian. I guess it is possible to point to "mirrors" of official repositories hosted on other domains, but the entries you have for virtualbox.org, tagancha.org, and scribus.net all look to me like they are adding additional software.

I know you've seen this thread, but you might compare your sources list to the first one in the first post there:
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=79533

My own LMDE sources.list looks like this:
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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb-src http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free


But I'm not running Virtual Box on that machine either, it's actually running in a Virtual Box on my Main Edition.

I find there is a VirtualBox nonfree package available there though, provided by Clem, which the description says simply points to the latest available version from Oracle's servers. It may be that Clem has this pointing to and installing an "Ubuntu" version. I tried installing it and I get this when I run "dpkg -s virtualbox-4.0":

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Package: virtualbox-4.0
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: contrib/misc
Installed-Size: 112584
Maintainer: Oracle Corporation <info@virtualbox.org>
Architecture: amd64
Version: 4.0.6-71344~Ubuntu~natty
Replaces: virtualbox
Provides: virtualbox
...



So it seems it is coming from the official repositories, after all. I wouldn't worry about it though, as it seems to work fine.
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Re: Weird suggested upgrade for Virtualbox...

Postby gosa on Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:37 am

acerimusdux wrote:
gosa wrote:
acerimusdux wrote:But in this case, you should realize that the package in question is not coming from Mint developers, maintainers, or repositories.


- Really?

I was under the impression that as long as I don't add the repositories available from Oracle/Virtualbox to my sources.list the things I download and install is somehow controlled by either the Mint Team or by Debian? Maybe I wasn't clear about that - I have made no alterations whatsoever to my sources.list. It's 100% LMDE (the latest RC)


Well, yeah, your sources.list has this from virtualbox.org:

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deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib




Oooppsss... my bad for wanting to continue in an old thread instead of making a new one. Sorry about that.
My post from the other day was based on a "clean" system without additions. I should have looked a bit more closely at the old posts before making a new one...

Anyway - I took the decision to add virtualbox anyway, hoping that tracking squeeze is less "bad" than installing ubuntu stuff.

Question still stands there unanswered though with regards to the mixing of ubuntu/debian/"outside" sources... someone did say that using the ubuntu version can mess up usb-support. Didn't experience that myself though - but maybe that's because I do use the virtualbox repos. The reason I even noticed that the ubuntu version is still in the LMDE repos was because I managed to forget the mixup from the last time when I reinstalled my system last week.
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Re: Weird suggested upgrade for Virtualbox...

Postby acerimusdux on Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:13 pm

gosa wrote:My post from the other day was based on a "clean" system without additions. I should have looked a bit more closely at the old posts before making a new one...

Anyway - I took the decision to add virtualbox anyway, hoping that tracking squeeze is less "bad" than installing ubuntu stuff.

Question still stands there unanswered though with regards to the mixing of ubuntu/debian/"outside" sources... someone did say that using the ubuntu version can mess up usb-support.


Ah, OK. Yeah, I did eventually figure out that this is also true of a new install, the package installed does reference Ubuntu~Natty. I guess the short answer is this is probably a special case. As mentioned, sometimes Ubuntu stuff will work, you just don't want to expect it to. In this case though, since you are getting it though an official Mint package provided by Clem, which downloads the package from Oracle/Vbox, I imagine someone, with either Mint or Virtual Box, has already verified that it's compatible.

[As for USB, you do need the guest additions package (and need to install it on the VM) for USB support to work.]
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