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LMDE: Screen sluggish when scrolling LibreOffice, Caja.

Postby baronsamedi on Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:33 am

LibreOffice is acting very slow, with the pages moving "in waves" when scrolling (much more noticeable when scrolling up). I thought at first it was something bloating the software, but a similar (although but not quite as bad) effect can be seen with Caja. So my hypothesis now is that it's got something to do with the grafics chipset / driver. Follows the relevant (I think) section of the output for

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lspci -vv:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
   Subsystem: Dell Device 0126
   Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
   Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
   Latency: 0
   Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16
   Region 0: Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
   Region 1: Memory at ff680000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K]
   Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: i915


My searches make me think that the 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset is supported by default and there is not much to do about it. Please advice on what might be the problem and how to tackle it.

Thanks.
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby lizbeth on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:50 pm

You are using an external mouse? Replace the battery.
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby baronsamedi on Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:28 pm

lizbeth wrote:You are using an external mouse? Replace the battery.


No, I am with a quite old desktop and a regular cord mouse, so there are no batteries involved.

I have just done the experiment to run the Maya liveCD, to see what happens, and voilà there seems to be no problem there. The lspci -vv command gets exactly the same output in the VGA controller part I excerpted, with just one extra line at the end:

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   Kernel modules: intelfb, i915


So should I assume that somehow LMDE failed to install those modules? How do I get around to installing them? I am way out of my depth here.

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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby lizbeth on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:15 pm

The kernel module should have installed by default. Open synaptic and in the search box type in i915 and the xorg driver should appear and have a green box next to it. If not double click it and install it.
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby baronsamedi on Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:01 pm

lizbeth wrote:The kernel module should have installed by default. Open synaptic and in the search box type in i915 and the xorg driver should appear and have a green box next to it. If not double click it and install it.


The i915 is installed indeed, but the intelfb thing is nowhere to be found.
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby lizbeth on Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:15 pm

I'm researching it. open synaptic in type in fbdev for now
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby lizbeth on Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:35 pm

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 49#p459351

I started a topic in the debian forums to research your issue. The debian forums seem to get more traffic. Head on over there and see what's been posted to see what might help you more.

I am at a loss. I have researched for hours this intelfb module and have come up blank.
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby baronsamedi on Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:37 pm

lizbeth wrote:http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=87347&p=459349#p459351I have researched for hours this intelfb module and have come up blank.


Thanks. I stayed up late yesterday doing some careful experimenting with my box to see how the beast behaves, and it is weirdly random: the slowness affects LibreOffice and Caja en Evince, but apparently not Firefox, for instance. Also sometimes the slowness is there right from the switch-on of the computer, but other times the thing goes smoothly at the beginning, maybe even for hours, until somehow the machine decides it is time to play the joke. It is really maddening.
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby lizbeth on Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:29 pm

Do you have a dedicated swap file set up and how big if so?
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby baronsamedi on Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:44 pm

lizbeth wrote:Do you have a dedicated swap file set up and how big if so?


It is a quite old machine, with just 1Gb RAM. The swap partition is rather big: 4Gb.

But I don't think it has to do with RAM or swap. Maybe the graphics card? I even thought it might be some kind of interference with the printer, which has been driving me nuts for a while too, but that seems identified and gone for now.

And my nerd cred with my GF (it is her box) at at a historical minimum... I am really desperate :wink:
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby DrHu on Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:59 pm

For LibreOffice just like OpenOffice before, allocating more RAM to that application will help it run faster; unfortunately you have only 1GB of system RAM, so you are fairly limited in what you can assign to open applications

The second thing you might attend to is how much multitasking are you doping ; that is what is you operational style
    Do you
  • Have anything like conky running all the time showing various system stats, eg hard drive ram use etc..
  • Are you opening many internet browser tabs while running your local application: LibreOffice..
  • Do you have many screen effects, compiz or other animations or screen savers or large wallpaper backgrounds
    --for performance, the best is usually a simple theme : solid color background no animated or sound effects and so on, even if your graphics card can handle it, since the OS performance also depends both on the processor and the RAM of the system
  • You might want to check your paging file to see if, while the system is slowed your are paging from RAM to hard drive (swap partition)
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8178
--or run a utility such as top or htop for a more graphical display of such stats..

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions ... page3.html
--post #35, you may want to assign the max amount of RAM allowable to the graphics processor (according to the poster 8MB)
    It is a good habit to check the BIOS of any machine you use and its settings, specifically for hard drives, RAM, Graphics, network, boot order and any devices you don't use, such as floppy access (being enabled) and so on..
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby baronsamedi on Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:18 pm

DrHu wrote:unfortunately you have only 1GB of system RAM, so you are fairly limited in what you can assign to open applications


The thing is that the machine has been working perfectly for quite a long time with Mint 7 (I think it was). I only have two RAM slots so yes, expanding it might be tricky.

DrHu wrote:The second thing you might attend to is how much multitasking are you doping ; that is what is you operational style


The box is stripped to a minimum: Mate, no flashy effects... the user (not me) is pretty no-nonsense: she only wants the job done when she gets on the keyboard, and and worry and spend at the computer as little time as possible, so this thing is pissing her off. Her working style is pretty straightward and has besides it has not changed from before to after this problem showed up.

I just assigned 8Mb to the graphics processor in the BIOS (it was at 1 Mb indeed) but no change.
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Re: LMDE: LIbreOffice sluggish when scrolling.

Postby lizbeth on Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:12 pm

I am of the mind that this is either something very simple that is being overlooked or hardware failure.

Care to give machine specs
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Re: LMDE: Screen sluggish when scrolling LibreOffice, Caja

Postby baronsamedi on Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:12 am

lizbeth wrote:I am of the mind that this is either something very simple that is being overlooked or hardware failure.
Care to give machine specs


A excerpt from #lshw:

(...)
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
Memory: 1Gb
VGA compatible controller
product: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
resources: irq:16 memory:e8000000-efffffff memory:ff680000-ff6fffff
Multimedia video controller
product: Bt878 Video Capture
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: vpd pm bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=bttv latency=64 maxlatency=40 mingnt=16
resources: irq:18 memory:f80ff000-f80fffff
(...)

Hope this is what you want. Sorry for the delay... lots of travel and stuff.
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Re: LMDE: Screen sluggish when scrolling LibreOffice, Caja.

Postby lizbeth on Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:14 pm

you left out the hard drive and how it is configured....
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Re: LMDE: Screen sluggish when scrolling LibreOffice, Caja.

Postby lizbeth on Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:16 pm

also run

sudo apt-get autoclean

after that it's time to test the memory and the hard drive for errors
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Re: LMDE: Screen sluggish when scrolling LibreOffice, Caja.

Postby baronsamedi on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:41 am

lizbeth wrote:you left out the hard drive and how it is configured....


Sorry about that. Here is what I can see in #lshw about the CPU and Hard disk:

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computer                 
    description: Mini Tower Computer
    width: 32 bits
    capabilities: smbios-2.3 dmi-2.3 smp-1.4 smp
    configuration: administrator_password=enabled boot=normal chassis=mini-tower cpus=1 power-on_password=enabled uuid=[REMOVED]
  *-core
       description: Motherboard
       vendor: Dell Computer Corp.
       physical id: 0
       serial: [REMOVED]
     *-firmware
          description: BIOS
          vendor: Dell Computer Corporation
          physical id: 0
          version: A09
          date: 11/01/2004
          size: 64KiB
          capacity: 448KiB
          capabilities: isa pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect edd int13floppytoshiba int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer acpi usb agp ls120boot biosbootspecification netboot
     *-cpu
          description: CPU
          product: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
          vendor: Intel Corp.
          physical id: 400
          bus info: cpu@0
          version: 15.2.7
          slot: Microprocessor
          size: 2GHz
          capacity: 3060MHz
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 400MHz
          capabilities: boot fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe pebs bts cid xtpr
          configuration: id=0
        *-cache:0
             description: L1 cache
             physical id: 700
             size: 8KiB
             capacity: 16KiB
             capabilities: internal write-back data
        *-cache:1
             description: L2 cache
             physical id: 701
             size: 512KiB
             capacity: 512KiB
             capabilities: internal varies unified
     *-memory
          description: System Memory
          physical id: 1000
          slot: System board or motherboard
          size: 1GiB
          capacity: 1GiB
        *-bank:0
             description: DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 266 MHz (3,8 ns)
             physical id: 0
             slot: DIMM_A
             size: 512MiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 266MHz (3.8ns)
        *-bank:1
             description: DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 266 MHz (3,8 ns)
             physical id: 1
             slot: DIMM_B
             size: 512MiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 266MHz (3.8ns)
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Re: LMDE: Screen sluggish when scrolling LibreOffice, Caja.

Postby baronsamedi on Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:18 am

Well, Nadia came along, and apparently took the problem away. Not strictly "solved", buy hey. Now dealing with a new set of small details, but none of them maddening so far.
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Re: LMDE: Screen sluggish when scrolling LibreOffice, Caja.

Postby darethehair on Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:23 pm

Hmmm...I am using Cinnamon 1.6 with LMDE and just noticed the same extremely sluggish scrolling with a LibreOffice 'writer' document myself. I have lots of memory (4gb).

My 'lspci' entry also lacks any reference to 'intelfb':

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00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
   Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device 0250
   Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+
   Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
   Latency: 0
   Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 44
   Region 0: Memory at fe400000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M]
   Region 2: Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
   Region 4: I/O ports at dc00 [size=8]
   Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled]
   Capabilities: <access denied>
   Kernel driver in use: i915



Since I run LMDE, 'Nadia' is not going to come to my rescue :)
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Re: LMDE: Screen sluggish when scrolling LibreOffice, Caja.

Postby Jenia on Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:49 pm

I have the exact same problem, but I was certain it was a result of messing with sid repos!
I've got a 32 bit system and all of the ram such a system can handle...

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00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor DRAM Controller (rev 12)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor PCI Express x16 Root Port (rev 12)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev 06)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev 06)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev 06)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev a6)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 5 Series Chipset LPC Interface Controller (rev 06)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 4 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 06)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset SMBus Controller (rev 06)
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 310M] (rev a2)
02:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1)
03:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Yukon Optima 88E8059 [PCIe Gigabit Ethernet Controller with AVB] (rev 11)
ff:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath Architecture Generic Non-core Registers (rev 02)
ff:00.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QuickPath Architecture System Address Decoder (rev 02)
ff:02.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Link 0 (rev 02)
ff:02.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor QPI Physical 0 (rev 02)
ff:02.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02)
ff:02.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Core Processor Reserved (rev 02)


It's one of the reasons I can't wait for a respin - I want to clean my system and start from scratch, hoping the issue will be gone.
(Also the nvidia driver pretends to be RandR incompatible on this laptop for some reason)
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