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Please clarify updating

Postby otacon507 on Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:06 am

According to update manager, and apt-get, I have the current update pack (7) of LMDE. My question pertains to how this 'rolling release' business works in LMDE (forgive me I am coming from Ubuntu). My current repositories are:

deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free

I don't recall if (i am using a jessie kernel)
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie main
both came with my installation, or if I added them to my sources.list....however when I uncomment those two repositories, update manager flips out and think I should delete cinnamon (among other important elements) and also that much of my software if out of date, while without them LMDE repos say everything is up to date... How does this rolling release stuff work>? I would like a happy medium where I am updating both my software and system without destroying important pieces of my system!

Thanks for reading!
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby benuski on Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:11 am

Only the top four lines should have come with your sources.list. If you want to move to a true rolling release, which means tracking Debian testing while still getting the main parts of Mint, you can follow the instructions at viewtopic.php?f=201&t=123323 . Regular LMDE now uses update packs, which means that it will be updated approximately every three months or so; Update Pack 8 is scheduled to be released sometime this month.

Personally, I really like the Update Pack system, as it allows me to get regularly updated software (more than just every six months), while having a system that allows me to get my work done. But, of course, YMMV.
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby killer de bug on Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:53 pm

benuski wrote: Regular LMDE now uses update packs, which means that it will be updated approximately every three months or so; Update Pack 8 is scheduled to be released sometime this month.

Personally, I really like the Update Pack system, as it allows me to get regularly updated software (more than just every six months), while having a system that allows me to get my work done. But, of course, YMMV.



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UP are released twice a year if you're lucky. UP6 was in January 2013. :wink:
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby otacon507 on Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:02 pm

benuski wrote:Only the top four lines should have come with your sources.list. If you want to move to a true rolling release, which means tracking Debian testing while still getting the main parts of Mint, you can follow the instructions at viewtopic.php?f=201&t=123323 . Regular LMDE now uses update packs, which means that it will be updated approximately every three months or so; Update Pack 8 is scheduled to be released sometime this month.

Personally, I really like the Update Pack system, as it allows me to get regularly updated software (more than just every six months), while having a system that allows me to get my work done. But, of course, YMMV.

I am with you on the "getting my work done" approach. Why, or why shouldn't I add the debian.org 'wheezy' (stable) repositories to my sources.lst?

Thanks again!
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby kurotsugi on Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:37 am

add debian stable repo will do nothing since LMDE using newer package from testing.
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deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie main
this one is debian testing repo. you can use it if you want to follow debian testing. but personally I don't recommend to do that at this moment since LMDE UP7 have several breakage with debian testing.
however when I uncomment those two repositories, update manager flips out and think I should delete cinnamon (among other important elements) and also that much of my software if out of date,
this is what I mean with breakage. if you're using cinnamon, if you blindly follow testing your cinnamon will eventually die. if can still follow testing but you'll need to install new DE and uninstall all cinnamon packages.
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby Monsta on Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:18 am

otacon507 wrote:I don't recall if (i am using a jessie kernel)
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie main
both came with my installation, or if I added them to my sources.list

No, they didn't came with the installation. I guess you've added them and forgot about that... and that's not recommended (I mean, it's better not to forget). If you don't need this repository for installing anything, leave these lines commented, or just remove them, or else you may end up accidentally updating your system to Debian Testing.
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby dejvk on Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:58 am

Well, i am not LMDE user yet (still waiting for UP8 release), but if I understood LMDE repos correctly, how about simply switching from latest to incoming? That should give you more "rolling" feel without worrying about destroying system by using debian's repos.
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby Monsta on Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:11 am

The first paragraph of the first post in this thread should answer the most questions about Incoming. I don't think this is about some "rolling" feel. :)
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby otacon507 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:01 pm

Monsta wrote:
otacon507 wrote:I don't recall if (i am using a jessie kernel)
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie main
both came with my installation, or if I added them to my sources.list

No, they didn't came with the installation. I guess you've added them and forgot about that... and that's not recommended (I mean, it's better not to forget). If you don't need this repository for installing anything, leave these lines commented, or just remove them, or else you may end up accidentally updating your system to Debian Testing.

How would adding current "wheezy" stable repositories affect mint? Would it potentially break cinnamon, and other features if updated>?
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby Monsta on Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:04 pm

otacon507 wrote:How would adding current "wheezy" stable repositories affect mint?

In no way. LMDE is ahead of Wheezy now. Doesn't make any sense to add these repositories, they contain older versions of packages.
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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby otacon507 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:51 pm

Monsta wrote:
otacon507 wrote:How would adding current "wheezy" stable repositories affect mint?

In no way. LMDE is ahead of Wheezy now. Doesn't make any sense to add these repositories, they contain older versions of packages.

What about in the future?

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Re: Please clarify updating

Postby kurotsugi on Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:46 am

in the future wheezy will turned into old-stable while LMDE will go further ahead and left wheezy far behind. as I and monsta have stated. add debian stable will do nothing to your system. there's no point adding them to repo list.
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