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Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby edgarkls on Thu May 19, 2011 11:14 am

I am new to Mint in particular and to Debian in general, so I apologise if the question might sound a bit daft. In principle I am rather in favour of stable applications and OS-environments, even if that means that I am a few versions behind the bleeding edge. There are situations, however, where one would need the most recent version of a software, either in order to fix a bug which has broken the version currently installed, or to make use of a new feature. I have now come to a point where I need a newer version of Guayadeque, because the currently offered one (2.9) crashes on my Mint LMDE. The crash is due to a bug in the software that has been fixed in version 3.1. I also would need, for a variety of reasons, Libreoffice 3.4, Beta 5.

The simple question: Is there any debian repo which would offer newer versions of particular packages?

I have tried the debs Libreoffice offer on their website, the installation however turned into a little dependency hell. Guayadeque was easier to solve, I found the new version in SID, installed it and then deactivated SID again.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby casey972oo on Thu May 19, 2011 3:07 pm

Hi there ! ... ' edgarkls ' ! ...

what kind of ' newer versions ' you are looking for ? ...

try this ! ... ' salineos.com ' ! ... of course speed and stabilitiy matters ! ... based on ' Squeeze ' ! ...

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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby karashata on Thu May 19, 2011 4:00 pm

As far as I know, most of the debs offered on most websites that offer debs are built for Ubuntu and rely on Ubuntu packages, meaning they may not work on Debian (due to differences in package names, package versions, etc.) Your best bet to get the most recent packages possible in Debian would be to enable the unstable (sid) and possibly even the experimental repositories and check to see that the package and version you want/need is there (This was how I found and installed Iceweasel (Debian's non-Mozilla branded Firefox) 4.0.1 as well as the most recent Icedove (Thunderbird)). If it's still not, you might have to wait a little while for it to show up. This is certainly the best way to ensure the packages are fully compatible with Debian, but of course enabling the sid and experimental repositories (and doing a full upgrade or dist-upgrade of everything) could bring along unstable updates that might potentially break your system.

From my own experience, it *is* possible to update only the desired packages you wish (along with installing/upgrading any dependencies they pull and removing obsolete packages), though it's not necessarily recommended due to a small chance something might be missed.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby casey972oo on Thu May 19, 2011 4:17 pm

Yeah ! ... there are plenty ' Ubuntu-packages ' which working fine in Debian ! ...
and otherwise ! ... for example ' apt ' ! ... this is all LINUX ! ...

by the way ... there is ' Chromium ' ... in ' Debian 6.o.1a Squeeze ' ! ...
which is much more faster than ' Firefox 4.o ' ! ... or ' Iceweasel ' ! ... from ' Mozilla ' ! ...

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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby edgarkls on Thu May 19, 2011 5:00 pm

Thanks for the answers which made a few things a lot clearer to me. So far I have enabled SID to get the bugfixed version of guayadeque and then disabled it again. In my opinion, this seems to be a sensible method, just get what you need from SID but stick with Squeeze in all other cases (including update and dist-upgrade). Or am I too paranoid here?
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby karashata on Thu May 19, 2011 5:06 pm

If you're using Linux Mint Debian Edition (and haven't changed the repos) you're on Testing, not Squeeze. Squeeze (if I'm not mstaken) is the current stable version of Debian. Testing is still more stable than sid though, so for the most part you should be okay with it, but even then there can occasionally still be bugs (usually fixed fairly quickly though).

That said, glad to help.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby Roken on Thu May 19, 2011 9:09 pm

You can override Mint's apt pinning by editing /etc/apt/preferences and giving the debian repo a higher rating than the mint repo. This will get you a couple of more recent packages (though, TBH, very few).
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby christoff522 on Fri May 20, 2011 11:41 am

https://launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive/ppa

This gives you a wine specifically made to work with pulseaudio - this solved all my spotify problems :)

no bugs.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby casey972oo on Fri May 20, 2011 2:37 pm

Hi there ! ... ' edgarkls ' ! ...

I think you know something about ' Debian ' ? ...

' Squeeze ' is the last ' stable ' release of Debian ! ... (version 6.o.1.a) ...
' Wheeze ' is the next ' stable-version ' from Debian ! ... which is now ' unstable ' ! ...

this means ! ... the testing is not finished jet ! ... to be released ! ... as ' Wheeze ' ! ...
it will take a little while ! ... maybe next year ... or so ! ...

' Debian 6.o.1a Squeeze ' works ! ... is stable ! ... and fast ! ... I like it ! ...

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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby edgarkls on Fri May 20, 2011 4:24 pm

Thanks again for all the advice. The fact that I have successfully confused Debian Testing, Squeeze and Wheeze shows how very new to Debian I am. I am learning, though :-).

All I really need now is a working installation of libreoffice3.4 Beta 5 (for testing reasons only). It seems, I will probably have to resort to testing it in a VM, though.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby vrkalak on Fri May 20, 2011 10:55 pm

Here is a list of most every Debian Repro, known-to-man.

My Giant Debian Sources.List > http://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/

This list is the most current and update List of Debian Repros out ... maybe, you'll find what you need there.

This List is compiled and maintained by one of the Admins from the Debian Users Forum.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby kwevej on Mon May 23, 2011 4:25 pm

Hi there casey972oo, you ... three-dots ... obsessed :roll: :P
I have to tell, that your posts are kinda hard to read, and what's more, I'd call them annoying. No offense meant.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby edgarkls on Mon May 23, 2011 5:00 pm

@vrkalak

Thanks. That list is brilliant! I am sort of getting familiar with the OS now, and must say that I've really learned to love Mint LMDE
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby casey972oo on Mon May 23, 2011 5:10 pm

kwevej wrote:Hi there casey972oo, you ... three-dots ... obsessed :roll: :P
I have to tell, that your posts are kinda hard to read, and what's more, I'd call them annoying. No offense meant.

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Hi there ! ... ' kwevej ' ! ...

you are not the only One ! ... who find this ' annoying ' ! ... but thanks for your message ! ...
I did program my laptop to write this ... all the time ... when I stop tipping in ! ... so ! ...
it's in LINUX ! ... as you can see ! ... if you want me to ... I write a program for you ...
to take out this ... what is put in all the time ! ... when I make a pause of thinking ! ...

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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby kwevej on Mon May 23, 2011 5:24 pm

casey972oo wrote:
kwevej wrote:Hi there casey972oo, you ... three-dots ... obsessed :roll: :P
I have to tell, that your posts are kinda hard to read, and what's more, I'd call them annoying. No offense meant.

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Hi there ! ... ' kwevej ' ! ...

you are not the only One ! ... who find this ' annoying ' ! ... but thanks for your message ! ...
I did program my laptop to write this ... all the time ... when I stop tipping in ! ... so ! ...
it's in LINUX ! ... as you can see ! ... if you want me to ... I write a program for you ...
to take out this ... what is put in all the time ! ... when I make a pause of thinking ! ...

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Nobody cares to know when you are thinking while typing. I guess you've missed a few grammar classes at school.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby casey972oo on Mon May 23, 2011 5:40 pm

Yeah ! ... and I don't care about your problem with reading my posting ! ...

just skip it ! ... you are not forced to read ' through ' ... all of these ... signs ! ...
komas ! ... doots ! ... and what else is possible in this keyboard ! ... I just use it ! ...
the way I want ! ... and there is another tip for you ! ...
and all of those who have problem with my style of writing ! ...

there is a function in your ' profile ' ... is called ' friends & foes ' ! ...
just put my name in the list for ' foes ' ! ... and my messages will be invisible for you ! ...

but as long as you ... or anybody else will read my postings ...
you must come along with my style of writing ! ... I don't write a roman ' ! ...

and I don't want you to ' quote ' ... or answer my threads ! ...
just stay where you at ! ... and leaf me alone ! ... I'm still going to school ! ...
haven't finished jet ! ...

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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby kwevej on Mon May 23, 2011 6:17 pm

casey972oo wrote:Yeah ! ... and I don't care about your problem with reading my posting ! ...
///loads of dots here///
... and leaf me alone ! ... I'm still going to school ! ...
haven't finished jet ! ...
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I'm glad you are attending a school. Hopefully they will manage it.
In the meantime, type your posts in Terminal using this: sed "s/\.//g;s/\!//g" , then copy&paste the resulting text here.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby casey972oo on Mon May 23, 2011 7:33 pm

Yeah ! ... ' kewevej ' ! ...just go and play with yourself ! ...

I am glad for You ! ... you finished school already ? ...
but you don't know nothing about what's going on in life ! ...

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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby kwevej on Tue May 24, 2011 6:39 am

casey972oo wrote:Yeah ' kewevej ' just go and play with yourself
I am glad for You you finished school already ?
but you don't know nothing about what's going on in life casey972oo

A chicken teaching a rooster about the life :D
Anyway, this is getting offtopic. Get lost. I'll do the same. Bye.
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Re: Where to find newer versions if needed

Postby casey972oo on Tue May 24, 2011 6:45 am

Yeah ! ... you're right ! ... this is ' off Topics ' allready ! ...

and it's you ... the ' Chicken ' ... who want to teach the ' Rooster ' ! ...
and it's you ... who can get lost ... and play with yourself ! ...

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