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[solved]no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby houndhen on Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:22 pm

Installed Mint Debian latest version; rebooted, and changed from testing to squeeze repositories and updated. Now I can get to the spinning circle on the black screen and boot goes no further. I can get to the command line but don't know what to do from there. I mainly work from the gui.

running 32 bit on a quad-core intel processor that is a couple months old.

I multiboot using grub legacy (my prefernce) and can get into Mepis, Ubuntu, Sabayon, and Windows XP. The menu.lst is on Mepis 11. I can chainload Mint and get to the menu that Mint has on the mint partition but once the boot process get to the spinning circle on the black screen progress stops.

Any ideas would be appreciated. I could re-install but the same thing might happen again.

Did I give enough information?
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Re: no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby rhodry on Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:23 am

Installed Mint Debian latest version; rebooted, and changed from testing to squeeze repositories and updated


By 'latest', I assume you mean 201109? If so, with respect, this is NEVER going to work nowadays without an EMORMOUS amount of work! This topic has been covered ad nauseam in these forums.

There are well over 1000 updates to packages since the original LMDE isos were produced just after Debian Squeeze was released as Stable. You are basically trying to downgrade all these packages including Xorg stuff. No wonder you can't get a gui?!

LMDE was NEVER created to be run against Debian Stable; only Debian Testing. The only two ways to achieve such a goal is to:-

install the LMDE iso produced in ( I think) Feb 2011 or Dec 2010 and update that install after changing repos;

or, install Debian Stable direct, add the Linuxmint Package repo and hope the Mint packages don't break against such old libraries.

Seriously, if you want to target Debian Stable, I suggest you look at Crunchbang Statler (Openbox/Xfce) or Mepis11 (KDE4) that are both distributions designed for that purpose.

Good luck to you,
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Re: no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby Elisa on Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:12 am

rhodry wrote:
Installed Mint Debian latest version; rebooted, and changed from testing to squeeze repositories and updated


By 'latest', I assume you mean 201109? If so, with respect, this is NEVER going to work nowadays without an EMORMOUS amount of work! This topic has been covered ad nauseam in these forums.

There are well over 1000 updates to packages since the original LMDE isos were produced just after Debian Squeeze was released as Stable. You are basically trying to downgrade all these packages including Xorg stuff. No wonder you can't get a gui?!

LMDE was NEVER created to be run against Debian Stable; only Debian Testing. The only two ways to achieve such a goal is to:-


Cannot agree !
I've read a post of someone here on this forum, that even Squeeze repos with LMDE is possible but you have to download an older LMDE .iso.
I'll try to look up that thread and place it here.

As for other details, I agree with rh., latest iso of LMDE is a bit newer than older release of the official Debian Squeeze.

So, you can reinstall LMDE with that older iso (wait until I'll look up that thread for exact details) or install the original Debian Squeeze or stay at the latest LMDE aka Debian testing.
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Re: no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby Elisa on Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:17 am

It's this, 'Wayne128' post:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=81863&start=0#p475312

And 'Zerozero' would know say even better I suppose ;)

Just watching releases page and asking:
which exactly of those versions would be the best to use for mixing or to have the Stable Mint version ? :)
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Re: no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby wayne128 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:59 am

It has been quite a long time since older version of iso was released before Debian Sqeeze (Feb 2011).

So out of curiosity I downloaded the LMDE 201101 , 32 bit version, which should be the 'latest, old iso ' for testing purposes.
http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=66

Use unetbootin to prepare usb stick.

Boot a newer comp with quad-core
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wayne@lmde201101g ~ $ lscpu
Architecture:          i686
CPU op-mode(s):        32-bit, 64-bit
CPU(s):                4
Thread(s) per core:    2
Core(s) per socket:    2
CPU socket(s):         1
Vendor ID:             GenuineIntel
CPU family:            6
Model:                 37
Stepping:              5
CPU MHz:               1199.000
Virtualization:        VT-x
L1d cache:             32K
L1i cache:             32K
L2 cache:              256K
L3 cache:              3072K


Install to one partition.

After reboot, change the sources list from testing to stable

wayne@lmde201101g ~ $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main non-free


Then, update
apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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Reading package lists... Done
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  xchat
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  desktop-base epiphany-browser epiphany-browser-data evolution
  evolution-common evolution-plugins evolution-webcal gir1.0-clutter-1.0
  gir1.0-freedesktop gir1.0-glib-2.0 gir1.0-gstreamer-0.10 gir1.0-gtk-2.0
  gir1.0-json-glib-1.0 gnome-themes libavcore0 libdns69 libevolution
  libgtkimageview0 libisc62 libisccfg62 libmono-system-data-linq2.0-cil
  libseed0 libva-x11-1 libx264-112 mint-backgrounds-debian mint-flashplugin-11
  tcl8.5
The following packages have been kept back:
  fontconfig-config libfontconfig1 mint-meta-debian
The following packages will be upgraded:
  adduser apache2.2-bin apt apt-listchanges apt-utils apturl apturl-common
  avahi-daemon base-files bind9-host binutils bluez bsdutils ca-certificates
  console-setup cron curl dash dbus dbus-x11 debconf debconf-i18n
  debian-multimedia-keyring debian-system-adjustments deborphan dhcp3-client
  dhcp3-common dictionaries-common discover dmsetup dnsutils dpkg dpkg-dev
  dselect e2fslibs e2fsprogs eject evince evince-common exim4-config firefox
  firefox-l10n-en-us firmware-atheros firmware-bnx2 firmware-bnx2x
  firmware-intelwimax firmware-ipw2x00 firmware-ivtv firmware-iwlwifi
  firmware-linux firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-qlogic
  firmware-ralink firmware-realtek fontconfig fortunes-husse gcalctool gdm3
  gedit gedit-common ghostscript ghostscript-cups ghostscript-x gnome-core
  gnome-keyring gnome-screensaver gnome-settings-daemon grub-common grub-pc
  grub2-theme-mint gs-common gstreamer0.10-lame gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-bin
  hpijs initramfs-tools initscripts installation-report inxi isc-dhcp-client
  isc-dhcp-common iso-codes kbd keyboard-configuration klibc-utils libapr1
  libasyncns0 libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3
  libavahi-core7 libavahi-glib1 libavahi-gobject0 libavahi-ui0 libavcodec52
  libavformat52 libavutil49 libavutil50 libbind9-60 libblkid1 libbluetooth3
  libbrlapi0.5 libburn4 libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686
  libcairo2 libcomerr2 libcurl3 libcurl3-gnutls libdbus-1-3 libdbus-glib-1-2
  libdevmapper1.02.1 libdiscover2 libdpkg-perl libdrm-intel1 libdrm-radeon1
  libdrm2 libevince2 libfreetype6 libgadu3 libgcr0 libgksu2-0 libgnome-speech7
  libgp11-0 libgs8 libgssapi-krb5-2 libgudev-1.0-0 libgupnp-igd-1.0-3
  libgweather-common libgweather1 libhpmud0 libicu44 libisccc60 libk5crypto3
  libklibc libkrb5-3 libkrb5support0 libldap-2.4-2 liblwres60 liblzma2 libmms0
  libmodplug1 libmono-cairo2.0-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil
  libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil libmono-messaging2.0-cil
  libmono-posix2.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
  libmono-sqlite2.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil
  libmono-system-messaging2.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil
  libmono-system2.0-cil libmono-wcf3.0-cil libmono2.0-cil
  libnautilus-extension1 libncurses5 libncursesw5 libnm-glib-vpn1 libnm-glib2
  libnm-util1 libnss3-1d libpam-gnome-keyring libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common
  libparted0debian1 libpci3 libpcsclite1 libperl5.10 libpixman-1-0 libpng12-0
  libpostproc51 libpulse-browse0 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0
  libpython2.6 libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libquicktime1 libsane libsasl2-2
  libsasl2-modules libservlet2.5-java libsmbclient libsndfile1 libsnmp-base
  libsnmp15 libss2 libssl0.9.8 libswscale0 libtiff4 libudev0 libuuid1 libva1
  libvlc5 libvlccore4 libwbclient0 libwebkit-1.0-2 libwebkit-1.0-common
  libxfont1 libxi6 libxml2 libxml2-utils linux-base linux-headers-2.6-686
  linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common linux-image-2.6-686
  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 linux-libc-dev live-config live-config-sysvinit
  live-installer-slideshow locales login lsb-base lsb-release man-db manpages
  manpages-dev mint-artwork-debian mint-flashplugin mint-search-addon
  mint-translations mint-x-icons mint-x-theme mintbackup mintdesktop
  mintinstall mintmenu mintsystem mintupdate mintupload mintwelcome
  modemmanager mono-2.0-gac mono-gac mono-runtime mount mplayer nautilus
  nautilus-data ncurses-base ncurses-bin netbase network-manager
  openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-base-core openoffice.org-calc
  openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-draw
  openoffice.org-emailmerge openoffice.org-gnome openoffice.org-gtk
  openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-java-common openoffice.org-math
  openoffice.org-style-tango openoffice.org-writer openssh-client openssl
  os-prober passwd pciutils perl perl-base perl-modules pulseaudio
  pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-x11
  pulseaudio-module-zeroconf pulseaudio-utils python python-apt
  python-apt-common python-brlapi python-bugbuddy python-evolution
  python-gnomeapplet python-gnomedesktop python-gnomekeyring python-libxml2
  python-minimal python-sexy python-uno python-wnck python2.6
  python2.6-minimal rhythmbox rhythmbox-plugins rsyslog samba samba-common
  samba-common-bin sane-utils shared-mime-info ssl-cert sudo sun-java6-bin
  sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin system-tools-backends sysv-rc sysvinit
  sysvinit-utils tasksel tasksel-data telepathy-gabble tomboy totem
  totem-common totem-mozilla totem-plugins ttf-opensymbol tzdata udev
  unattended-upgrades uno-libs3 update-inetd ure usb-modeswitch-data
  user-setup util-linux uuid-runtime vino vlc vlc-data vlc-nox
  vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse w32codecs whois wpasupplicant
  x11-xserver-utils xchat-common xkb-data xserver-common xserver-xorg-core
  xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-mga
  xserver-xorg-video-tseng xz-utils
352 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 1 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
Need to get 553 MB of archives.
After this operation, 173 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y



ignoring the xchat removal, just proceed to d-u


now it is downloading 553M, let wait for a while to see if any problem d.u.

this is typed from the installed lmde-201101-gnome-dvd-i386.iso
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Re: no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby wayne128 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:25 am

continue... finished download, took a long time...

reboot, work at last, at least it runs after such a big updates :mrgreen:

check media playing, OK

check internet, OK
check firefox: No, cannot run on menu clicking, cannot run with ALT f2, cannot run from terminal.

so just apt-get install iceweasel, and got it working, now using iceweasel to type this post
iceweasel version is 3.5.16 in repos

another check, this laptop is newer, the old LMDE kernel is based on 2.6.32
lmde201101g wayne # uname -a
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Linux lmde201101g 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:51:05 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux



the monitor has max resolution of 1024x768, kind of too rough for such a new laptop..
must be some graphic driver issue.
lmde201101g wayne # lspci | grep VGA
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01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M]
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Re: no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby wayne128 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:33 am

continue from last post.

This time, switch to newer installed LMDE-201109
wayne@lmde201109g ~ $ uname -a
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Linux lmde201109g 2.6.39-2-486 #1 Tue Jul 5 02:52:23 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux


monitor is set at its default 1366x768 and font renderings are very nice.

firefox 5.0 worked out of the box.

==end of test===
hope this helps someone who might be interested in getting LMDE-201101-gnome-i386 iso setup to track with Stable or Squeeze
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Re: no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby Elisa on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:47 am

Ok, so for stupid (l)users, like me, for example :D , that above mentioned .iso can be used for Stable repos, right ?
Does it mean in fact, you have Debian "Squeeze" mixed aka combined/included with Mint cool features inside ? :)

And one more question - for you, as skilled Mint geek:

how you see the chance to run this installation if I'd like to have on 1 physical HDD one partition, which would be crypted (except /boot of course) with LUKS and then after this step a LVM created ?

In the original Debian Squeeze this feature is already included in the installer.
I've read somewhere on the net some tricks how it'd be possible but it has seemed to me like not too easy for newbies.
So do you have any idea, how to do that easy and clearly ? :P

Anyway, thanks for your info and tests, it will be surely helpful (not only) for newbies 8)
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Re: no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby houndhen on Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:13 am

rhodry wrote:By 'latest', I assume you mean 201109? If so, with respect, this is NEVER going to work nowadays without an EMORMOUS amount of work! This topic has been covered ad nauseam in these forums.

There are well over 1000 updates to packages since the original LMDE isos were produced just after Debian Squeeze was released as Stable. You are basically trying to downgrade all these packages including Xorg stuff. No wonder you can't get a gui?!

LMDE was NEVER created to be run against Debian Stable; only Debian Testing. The only two ways to achieve such a goal is to:-

install the LMDE iso produced in ( I think) Feb 2011 or Dec 2010 and update that install after changing repos;

or, install Debian Stable direct, add the Linuxmint Package repo and hope the Mint packages don't break against such old libraries.

Seriously, if you want to target Debian Stable, I suggest you look at Crunchbang Statler (Openbox/Xfce) or Mepis11 (KDE4) that are both distributions designed for that purpose.

Good luck to you,
rhodry.
Thanks for the straightforward information. I like that. The reasons that I wanted to try LMDE are two-fold: rolling release and Mint just usually works. I will re-install and see if stability is a problem after updating from the testing repositories. If not stable enough to suit me, then I have used Crunchbang Statler before and liked it.
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Re: [solved]no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby rhodry on Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:41 am

@houndhen, I just like to "tell it like it is" so to speak. That tends to be a bit "sharp" for some newbies; but, personally, I think it is simpler all round that way.

In any case, I am certainly not trying to drive you away from Mint - I just don't think you need this "Debian Stable" hybrid anymore just to get a STABLE LMDE that's all. Clem et al have "bent over backwards" to provide 'stability' but retain partial 'rolling' status with the introduction of the 'latest/incoming' repo copies and the service packs.

Seriously, if you are looking for a distro with stability, but some semblance of 'rolling nature', the new iso of LMDE ( 201109) with repos aimed at "latest" will be as good as you get! The whole idea of the updates being held back is so things don't break for you the user. Personally, I don't use it. I aim my repos at 'testing', 'unstable' & 'experimental' to get which version of any one app I want and I use /etc/apt/preferences file ( ie pinning) to direct my updates at correct repos. But that's just my choice.

Having said that, if I were you, I would go with the 'latest' options and drop this "going backwards" idea- it was only really a valid option for a very short period of time IMO. There are plenty of posts in the forum explaining how to set it up and the recent blog post has all the relevant info.

good luck,
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Re: [solved]no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby Elisa on Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:55 am

Thanks wayne128 for pointing me to the LVM/LUKS topic where is even my question answered [maybe someone else would be interested too] ;)
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Re: [solved]no boot after update with sqeeze repositories

Postby zerozero on Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:55 pm

just because Elisa was so nice to give me all that credit :lol: i must say that in the community website we can find a wonderful howto by LifeinTheGrey about setting LMDE to Squeeze
http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/497
However doing this, one will face at least 2 issues:
- the old kernel (.32) and its poor support with newer hardware as wayne found out right here (but that is covered in the howto);
- incompatibilities between mint pkgs and the base system: firefox is just the first one, but others may come, i'm thinking specially about the mint tools and their dep in python
viewtopic.php?f=141&p=439502
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=79665&p=462720&hilit=firefox#p462720

knowing all this, and as rhodry said, the update-packs, specially if you follow the latest repo (as is default in the 201109 release) are the closer you can get to a stable yet rolling release
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