Gnome3 for the experienced (FUN Stuff!!!)

[kokurya-kai]

I just tried to upgrade my Gnome 3 but it seems for me that Gnome is not completely in experimental:

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 gnome-control-center : Hängt ab von: libgnome-desktop-3-2 (>= 3.2.0) soll aber nicht installiert werden
                        Hängt ab von: gnome-control-center-data (< 1:3.5) aber 1:3.6.1-1 soll installiert werden

Anyone else with the same problem?

[GeneC]

Perhaps you would have some interest in this.? (Status of Gnome 3.6 in Debian) http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.6-status.html

[kokurya-kai]

GeneC: I know the page. but following it means that gnome.-control-center etc is up to date
The problem is gnome-shell depends libgnome-desktop-3-4 and gnome-control-center on 3-2...

*edit*
found the problem: following Genc's page all archs are already 3.6.1 but
http://packages.debian.org/experimental ... rol-center
only AMD64 is ready....

[autocrosser]

Greeting All!!!! I hope Gnome3 has been treating all as well as it has treated me in the last month...I'm fully in 3.6--no major problems noted. getting ready to start grabbing the 3.7 stuff to "play" with. Merry Christmas to all & a very good new year!!!!

[GregE]

Greeting All!!!! I hope Gnome3 has been treating all as well as it has treated me in the last month...I'm fully in 3.6--no major problems noted. getting ready to start grabbing the 3.7 stuff to "play" with. Merry Christmas to all & a very good new year!!!!

And a Merry Christmas to all & a very good new year!!!! yo you as well.

My 3.6 is also humming along nicely. My only issue is gnome-desktop-data3, if i use the old version (3.4) I can have Evolution and EOG, but then I have to edit the version number to make it all work. If I use the 3.6 version Evolution and EOG will not install even though they are 3.6 versions. It has been a dependency problem for a long time, I guess the Debian devs are busy with Wheezy. I am not fussed as i use Gmail and Google Docs for most things so Evolution is irrelevant. There are alternatives to EOG, but I would like that solved eventually. I might try grabbing the Ubuntu version and hope it does not cause grief.

[autocrosser]

Greeting All!!!! I hope Gnome3 has been treating all as well as it has treated me in the last month...I'm fully in 3.6--no major problems noted. getting ready to start grabbing the 3.7 stuff to "play" with. Merry Christmas to all & a very good new year!!!!

And a Merry Christmas to all & a very good new year!!!! yo you as well.

My 3.6 is also humming along nicely. My only issue is gnome-desktop-data3, if i use the old version (3.4) I can have Evolution and EOG, but then I have to edit the version number to make it all work. If I use the 3.6 version Evolution and EOG will not install even though they are 3.6 versions. It has been a dependency problem for a long time, I guess the Debian devs are busy with Wheezy. I am not fussed as i use Gmail and Google Docs for most things so Evolution is irrelevant. There are alternatives to EOG, but I would like that solved eventually. I might try grabbing the Ubuntu version and hope it does not cause grief.

Well_i too have gone without EOG & Evolution--I miss them not, but another victim was Nautilus-open-terminal & I can't live without it So I did a manual install & so far it is still working.....I will go to "almost" any length to keep it working.....I do like my terminal a mouse-click away........

So I plan to jump into 3.7 over the holiday break (hoping not literally!!!) Will keep my mind well entertained in the days after the 25th until the new year.....

[autocrosser]

After re-sorting drives (new 256G SSD on the way--will be here on the 27th!!)--I've got 3.7.3 running. Not much to say at this point--looks almost like 3.6 (just the number change)---just have to change the extensions metadata.json to something greater than 3.7 & they all seem to work normally......will keep everyone posted on anything interesting......

Merry Christmas everyone!

[bimsebasse]

It's not live yet, but an unofficial supplement to extensions.gnome.org has been put together - details and info here: http://worldofgnome.org/ilovegnome-gnom ... e-preview/

[GregE]

It's not live yet, but an unofficial supplement to extensions.gnome.org has been put together - details and info here: http://worldofgnome.org/ilovegnome-gnom ... e-preview/

Looks like a good idea. Gnome 3 has always lacked a simple "Get more themes" button. At least this will go some way towards making themes easier.

IMHO It should be part of Gnome itself, as should the theme extension.

[catweazel]

I don't think Unity will be ready and I DO think it will be release anyway...

Micro$oft did exactly that with Vista. It was a completely bug-riddled schemozzle.

[autocrosser]

Greetings everyone!!! Well, it's the second year of this thread & Gnome3 has gone well on it's way to a "normal" WM.....Here's to several more years!!!!

[bimsebasse]

Lots of interesting info here on the new Classic Mode to be introduced in Gnome 3.8:

http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/

It will be basically be a gnome-shell session with a set of extensions enabled to make it look and work like a classic desktop. Personally I think the idea is daft and a waste of effort but you may disagree (if you want a van, don't buy a sports car and convert it into a van as far as it is possible, just buy a van)

[GregE]

Lots of interesting info here on the new Classic Mode to be introduced in Gnome 3.8:

Looks like they added Frippery to Gnome and called it Classic. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I still use a classic window switcher (Window List), but on the top bar. I am no longer a fan of an extra toolbar on the bottom, especially when it interferes with notifications. Took me a while to find a functional window switcher for 3.6, and it is not as good as Frippery's bottom panel. But I still prefer an uncluttered desktop so Window List wins.

[autocrosser]

Almost time for 3.8!!!!!

[GeneC]

This applies if your using Nemo as a file manager in the Shell.

Problem:
You find new unwanted icons on your desktop...
And Tweak Tool does not shut them off.

viewtopic.php?f=198&t=70230&p=709884#p709884

NOTE:
This is not SID specific, it comes from Mint.

Today's update of Nemo put an unwanted Trash Can Icon on my desktop .

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Commit Log for Wed Apr 17 07:23:48 2013

Upgraded the following packages:
libnemo-extension1 (1.1.2+lmde) to 1.7.2-1
nemo (1.1.2+lmde) to 1.7.2-1
nemo-data (1.1.2+lmde) to 1.7.2-1

LMDE (201303) Gnome-Shell 3.4

Turning it off with Gnome Tweak Tool (Advanced Settings>Desktop) did nothing.

If anyone else sees this and wants to get rid of it.

Open gconf-editor

gconf-editor>org>nemo>desktop (clear = 'trash-icon-visible')

[bimsebasse]

What's the take on 3.8? It's winning me over as default desktop. Still a bit annoying how all your added third-party frills become outdated or broken at every 0.2 update, but vanilla gnome-shell is certainly not laggy or buggy anymore.

[autocrosser]

Well---you know me by now....I'm not having any problems with it. There are a couple of extensions that have not been updated for 3.8 yet (Gpaste & Nothing To Do come to mind at once....), but all in all--working as I would expect....

[GregE]

Some random thoughts on Gnome Shell 3.8. The system just keeps getting better, but I do long for some stability. As bimsebasse said it is a pain removing and re-installing extensions and themes for every update. Hopefully Gnome will settle down to a relatively unchanging layout and extensions and themes will not need extensive re-writes every few months.

I have turned heretic and installed Xubuntu 13.04, then added the Gnome3 PPA and I now have a stable Gnome Shell 3.8.1. I have been running 3.8 for months on top of the 13.04 beta. I do not miss the constant battle with experimental trying to uninstall half my system with every other update. That battle is nearly always because of multi-arch and the amd64 and i386 packages not updating simultaneously.

Themes continue to be an issue. Nearly all themes (apart from the default) have some issue. Most seem unable to handle the notification area correctly. Also most do not handle the new "Frequent All" switch. X-Gnome Enhanced has a good 3.8 theme that works well. I have had issues with Nautilus slow downs. If you open two Nautilus windows and drag and drop a lot of files between them then eventually the shell becomes unresponsive and then freezes up. Since a clean re-install of 13.04 after the final release this issue seems OK for now. The other issue is an on-going problem with gvfs. If you are a heavy user of Samba and media streaming this is a real pain. Try and move 4000 music files across the network and it will choke. This has plagued Ubuntu for the last year and no one fixed it. It appears to be fixed now for some setups, but many people are still having serious issues. My notebook running Sid and Gnome Shell 3.4 was fine simply because the software is so old (in the Linux world) that the gvfs issue is still upstream. Something to watch for as Debian activity switches to newer packages.

I expect that there will be a flurry of activity soon. Once Wheezy is released activity will once again turn to Experimental and Sid, and as has always happened it will tweak my interest once more. For the moment it is hard to justify removing a system that is utterly stable and easy to maintain. Well, it has been like this for a whole week since the 13.04 release. When the new 13.04 based mainline Mint 15 is released, it will be interesting to add the Gnome3 PPA and have a Minty Gnome Hybrid. Once 3.6 flows down to testing then a LMDE/Gnome-3.6 hybrid should be a reliable system. Or perhaps 3.8. Looking at http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.6-status.html and http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html it could well be 3.8 that gets all the attention and 3.6 will just evaporate. Time will tell.

[sammiev]

I used 13.04 from the start of testing and decided to move up to 13.10 lastweek with gnome3.8
Must say so far so good, I really do like the new gnome.
Now bring on mint15.

[GeneC]

Some random thoughts on Gnome Shell 3.8. The system just keeps getting better, but I do long for some stability. As bimsebasse said it is a pain removing and re-installing extensions and themes for every update. Hopefully Gnome will settle down to a relatively unchanging layout and extensions and themes will not need extensive re-writes every few months.
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Agreed, I like the Shell, but will be happy when it stops changing so often. I upgraded from 3.6 (that I had added from experimental a while back) to 3.8, but was quite unsatisfied, as 90% of the extensions I used no longer worked. To me, its the extensions that make the Shell from not quite usable to very good. I'll wait for extensions to catch up before going back to 3.8.

What happened to 3.6? Its no longer in the standard Debian repos! (It is stated to be in deb-ports, but I can't find it there.)
http://packages.debian.org/search?suite ... nome-shell