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Re: Moving to Testing in LMDE

Postby kurotsugi on Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:40 pm

there are similar report several days ago and OP said that it could be fixed by reinstalling cinnamon.
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby Suit on Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:13 am

Thank you. After reviewing the steps I forgot to the delete the preferences first. I will try it again possibly. Update Pack 7 still has not been released correct?
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby Suit on Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:47 pm

ZeroZero,

I tried the steps again and received the same result.

I've attached two of the messages here:
The message just in case is:
Configuration file /etc/issue
Modified by you or by a script since installation.
Package distributor has shipped an updated version. Would like like to do about it? You options are:
Yes: Install the package maintainers version.

The first time I chose Y. Same issue. The second time I chose N. Same thing again. Each time I end up with a Cinnamon menu which turns into little squares.
Ideas?

Thanks!
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby zerozero on Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:55 pm

that message is unrelated with the issues you are reporting; in that particular situation you are just modifying config files (or not depending on the option you chose); that won't break cinnamon.

what would be interesting to see was the output of
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apt update && apt dist-upgrade   
but i'm afraid since last monday the weather is stormy to leave latest/incoming :mrgreen: viewtopic.php?f=198&t=132747&p=753080#p752564
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby fabiog on Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:56 pm

Hi guys,

what's the difference between running LMDE with the testing repos and running a Debian testing based distro like Sparkylinux or Crunchbang?

LMDE as-is is not really rolling: I'd define 'rolling' if there was at least an update pack every 3 months...

Thanks zerozero for your post. I followed and broke my system!! Yet sparkylinux is working fine... don't get it...

Look forward to be enlighted!
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby zerozero on Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:18 pm

fabiog
SparkyLinux is a lightweight, fast and simple Linux distribution disigned for both old and new computers featuring customized Enlightenment and LXDE desktops.

lmde (specially if you have cinnamon) viewtopic.php?f=198&t=132747&start=100#p752564
HTH
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby fabiog on Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:34 pm

Hi zerozero,

thanks, but I was more interested on how that works under the hood: if lmde and sparkylinux/#! are both pointing at the debian repos, what differentiates them, aside the graphical environment?

I'm maybe just confused on how distros are built: debian testing + some linuxmint stuff = lmde?? debian testing + some sparkylinux stuff = sparkylinux? I'm sure there's more to that...
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby zerozero on Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:42 pm

what is broken atm in lmde/testing is cinnamon; of course that is a lot because cinnamon/nemo are more than just the graphical environment, they are your DE.
(assuming that you followed the OP to the letter specially the part about the preferences file, apart from the cinnamon breakage there shouldn't be major problems)
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby Chris M on Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:23 pm

fabiog wrote:Hi zerozero,

thanks, but I was more interested on how that works under the hood: if lmde and sparkylinux/#! are both pointing at the debian repos, what differentiates them, aside the graphical environment?

I'm maybe just confused on how distros are built: debian testing + some linuxmint stuff = lmde?? debian testing + some sparkylinux stuff = sparkylinux? I'm sure there's more to that...


If this is a fundamental question about LMDE, you're correct that it's not rolling like pure Debian Testing. It used to, but a (long) while back, clem went with an Update Packs scheme. If you're "jumping to Testing or Sid" you're going to change your repositories to track pure Debian Testing or Sid. The Mint Update Packs (UP) become inconsequential once you change your repos - although you'll still want the latest Mint files at repo
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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import


If you're using a Mint disk, they don't start out pointing to Debian repos. LMDE is based on Debian, it doesn't start out pointing to Debian repos.

You'll also want to get rid of your pin priorities - or set them even.

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade gets the job done, if the Mint ISO/disk is new.

If the disk is old-ish, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is better. That will catch you up to date and fix any broken packages/dependencies along the way.

This thread is really about abandoning the UP scheme, and rolling along with Debian Testing (or Sid). If I'm correct, there's only that 1 Mint repo that's maintained. Maintaining that 1 will keep you in the Mint game, while rolling along with Debian Testing or Sid. If you maintain the 1 Mint repo, you take on troubleshooting Mint and Debian for upcoming UP.

On Windows right now. Maybe zz can post his repos, and tell you which pin priority file to delete.

As an offhand comment, LMDE has never been about Sid, so if you want to give more to the LMDE project, you'll point to Debian Testing repos so as to troubleshoot for upcoming UP. Pointing to pure Sid is more for fun.
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby fabiog on Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:59 pm

Chris M wrote: If I'm correct, there's only that 1 Mint repo that's maintained. Maintaining that 1 will keep you in the Mint game, while rolling along with Debian Testing or Sid. .


Thanks Chris, that basically clears my doubts.. I'll give it another go at LMDE testing and see how that goes.
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby xfrank on Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:12 pm

zerozero wrote:
if you need this howto to help you make the jump into testing or sid you should think twice because, probably, you are not prepared

general warnings:
  • if you leave the update-packs, cinnamon might (will) break one day
  • if you leave the update-packs nvidia and amd might break anytime
  • if you leave the update-packs you should update frequently (daily if possibly)

why should you do it
  • update-packs are boring stable
  • you want to learn more about your system and how linux works in general
  • you think it's fun spending time maintaining your system
  • you want the latest&greatest

why shouldn't you do it
  • update-packs are rock solid
  • you can't afford downtime / that is a production machine
  • you hate when something breaks

which one to pick: testing or sid?
  • sid is more interesting but a lot more dangerous: you have to realize that it can break badly in the next update
  • breakages and bugs are solved a lot faster in sid (sometimes in the same day) than in testing but are more frequent as well


After considering to follow debian testing, I think is better for me to stay with the standard update-packs model. I cannot afford to break my system or to spend days to fix something serious. I have to work with my PC. Update Packs are boring? ok, but they are safe. I just wish the update packs will be more frequent in the near future (adjusting to a real rolling scheme).
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby kurotsugi on Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:03 pm

having a small periodic update will better if you want a rolling scheme. I have daily update for more than a year and never got a package breakage. debian now also have 'always releaseable testing' policy. their testing stability is now on par with debian stable or even better. https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/

it's getting bored to follow testing. now I'm following since last month
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby gtsfer on Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:23 pm

zerozero wrote::lol: with that introduction?? i'm afraid "they" won't come even close :mrgreen:


I must be out of my mind for even reading this post, let alone bookmarking it. Especially with all this talk of "Dark Side". You're trolling for us crazy ones, aren't you?
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Re: Jumping to Testing or Sid

Postby zerozero on Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:48 pm

gtsfer wrote:You're trolling for us crazy ones, aren't you?
:mrgreen:
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