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What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby t3g on Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:41 pm

I was just reading http://www.muktware.com/news/23/2011/856/code-frozen-gnome-shell-3 about the code frozen for Gnome Shell 3 and it looks pretty impressive and a nice alternative to Unity. I know there are a lot of traditional Gnome purists here, but it is very good looking. Its a shame the main team won't give it a chance.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby autocrosser on Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:55 pm

There are those of us that are testing Gnome3/GS right now.....Check out my thread on Gnome3/GS.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby dawgdoc on Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:00 pm

t3g wrote:I know there are a lot of traditional Gnome purists here, but it is very good looking. Its a shame the main team won't give it a chance.

I do not think it is a matter of purism which is holding the Mint team back. Something I recently read makes me think that it is just to let the dust settle with Gnome 3, Gnome Shell and Unity that is delaying adoption of the latter two by Mint. I did read that Gnome Shell will be available in the repos. Unity will probably be there also.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby Dr.m0x on Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:08 am

The problem I have with gnome shell is that I find it much harder to do stuff. I have become accustomed to interacting with the desktop in a certain way and every gui I have previously used is quite similar. This includes windows, gnome and kde. While each has differences the overall feel of the interaction is similar. Gnome shell its just weird and I struggle to use it effectively. It's been dumbed down a mite too much. I'd run it on my netbook but not on a more serious machine.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby gotjazz on Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:42 am

I also don't think hate is the right word. For example I run a fedora 15 alpha partition which I boot pretty much daily and play around with for a while.
It's just that for many, including me, gnome3 tipoped the ease of use vs efficiency scale a bit too far. It's almost as if it was made for kids and grannies. Everyone can do pretty much everything within a minute after seeing it for the first time. The downside is that regular computer users need a lot more clicks and mouse movement to get their stuff done.

Grented: It's fun. But only for so long before you miss for example a task-bar.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby anzan on Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:29 am

I do not hate Shell or Unity.

I loathe and despise them.

I primarily use keybindings and GNOME Do to get things done. I cannot waste time pretending that pictures represent meaningful points in space and direct a picture precisely at those points with a mouse unless there's a good reason to.

I have a workspace switcher in my panel which I very rarely click on. It's just a visual aid to tell me which workspace I am in. I do not need the workspace switcher to take over my desktop and stop my workflow, which is basically what Shell and Unity both do.

I have windows maximized where I need them that way, others aligned when I need them that way.

I left Ubuntu for Debian and GNOME for Xfce, as have many and as many more will.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby altair4 on Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:08 am

gotjazz wrote:It's just that for many, including me, gnome3 tipoped the ease of use vs efficiency scale a bit too far. It's almost as if it was made for kids and grannies. Everyone can do pretty much everything within a minute after seeing it for the first time. The downside is that regular computer users need a lot more clicks and mouse movement to get their stuff done.

Grented: It's fun. But only for so long before you miss for example a task-bar.

I don't disagree with you but I don't thinks it's a kids and granny thing, I think it's a tablet thing. The strategy might work for gnome as the number of desktops diminish.

Tablets are for content consumption - desktops are for content creation.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby Silent Warrior on Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:15 am

I do kind of miss the maximize button (and the taskbar - I LOOOOOVE DockBar), but so far I get by. It takes longer to load than Gnome 2, but I have to say it's a lot more responsive. The biggest 'but' is Compiz, transparencies, and focus, though - I really like to use it to, say, read something on the internet/Firefox, move in a terminal (since my screen is too small for putting the windows side-by-side), and move the mouse back and forth to enter more and more from some tutorial or whatever into the terminal until I have all of the command(s) there (so I prefer to enter commands manually rather than copy/paste). Can't do that with Gnome Shell... Yet, at least. Good thing the task-switching is so snappy.

I readily confess I'm no power-user. I'm looking forward to the finished product, but I really want to see some appearance settings-module before I celebrate.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby anzan on Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:45 am

Sure, Unity and Shell might be fine for tablets and I'd buy one with either installed.

But at this point Unity doesn't work with the virtual keyboard let alone show any sign of working on tablets, smartphones, etc.

All they do is break the desktop.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby monkeyboy on Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:41 pm

I posted this last October and it still works for me. :D

Every time there has been a significant change in GNOME there has been an accompanying cacophony of complaints. Not so surprisingly its still here doing a fine job and and moving forward to a new version. My guess is a few years down the road we will likely hear another chorus of complaints when the next release version is on the horizon. IMHO
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby xircon on Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:29 pm

Runs fine on my cheapo netbook, wish I could get it to run on my CoreI5 ATI based laptop :(
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby DrHu on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:26 pm

The more automation or simplifying functions for a naive (beginning) user that any desktop attempts, just makes it more and more difficult for a regular user
    One who is willing to learn some key combination
    --as the keyboard is quicker than the mouse for most things (even though you do have to memorize them)

And I agree, that Ubuntu and Gnome are aiming for the small/mobile device generation (twitters or texting users)
--as well that the division is
  • Desktop is for productivity applications
    --such as DB, word processing, spreadsheets and content creation (audio/video) files
  • Mobile/tablet (such as IPad or the original tablets with a separate keyboard, that is netbooks
    Is for content consumption, and small amounts of application support
    email, web browsing, and some low powered games..
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby t3g on Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:12 am

gotjazz wrote:It's just that for many, including me, gnome3 tipoped the ease of use vs efficiency scale a bit too far. It's almost as if it was made for kids and grannies. Everyone can do pretty much everything within a minute after seeing it for the first time. The downside is that regular computer users need a lot more clicks and mouse movement to get their stuff done.


Hey, if Gnome Shell and Unity make it easier for non tech savvy people to navigate around Linux, how can that hurt? For the power users that like the way things are and what they are used to all these years, they can always go back or try one of the 350 distros out there. All the time I think about how an easier to navigate Linux can help family members of mine so I can finally wipe away the Windows XP partition. How about if I am a business owner who wants a free operating system that is not tied to a Microsoft license that people of various backgrounds can pick up and get to work.

Some people are saying Unity could be the beginning of the end for Ubuntu, yet some see it as a much needed evolution of the desktop.

Oh and one last thing, some people are already getting Gnome Shell to look pretty like the theme here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/gnome-shell-smooth-inset-theme-is-light-airy-and-beautiful/
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby anzan on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:10 am

monkeyboy wrote:I posted this last October and it still works for me. :D

Every time there has been a significant change in GNOME there has been an accompanying cacophony of complaints. Not so surprisingly its still here doing a fine job and and moving forward to a new version. My guess is a few years down the road we will likely hear another chorus of complaints when the next release version is on the horizon. IMHO


Both GNOME 1 and initial versions of 2 basically looked like GNUstep crossed with Windows. The differences were great in terms of loss of options. But the fundamental paradigm did not change.

Shell beaks the desktop.

Again, probably fine for touch-screen tablets.

Terrible for desktops/laptops (and also netbooks in my experiences with my Eee).
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby monkeyboy on Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:12 pm

anzan wrote:
monkeyboy wrote:I posted this last October and it still works for me. :D

Every time there has been a significant change in GNOME there has been an accompanying cacophony of complaints. Not so surprisingly its still here doing a fine job and and moving forward to a new version. My guess is a few years down the road we will likely hear another chorus of complaints when the next release version is on the horizon. IMHO


Both GNOME 1 and initial versions of 2 basically looked like GNUstep crossed with Windows. The differences were great in terms of loss of options. But the fundamental paradigm did not change.

Shell beaks the desktop.

Again, probably fine for touch-screen tablets.

Terrible for desktops/laptops (and also netbooks in my experiences with my Eee).


Well then we will just have to wait and see what happens. My bet is after GNOME Shell is released that the sun will rise, birds will sing and most of us will still be using our computers. Enjoy
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby AlbertP on Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:22 pm

I have tried out Gnome Shell on the Fedora test day yesterday (actually, I did the tests 1 day too early). What I miss is the panel. With more than 4 programs open, I started confusing my windows and needed some time to look which one I actually wanted to open. Also, I don't like the extra mouse moves needed. With a normal mouse this isn't a real problem but with a touchpad I only want 1 thing and that's a panel/taskbar.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby anzan on Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:09 pm

monkeyboy wrote:Well then we will just have to wait and see what happens. My bet is after GNOME Shell is released that the sun will rise, birds will sing and most of us will still be using our computers. Enjoy


Agreed indeed. And for those who enjoy GNOME Shell, blessings be upon them.

I'll miss GNOME but still donate to the Foundation and support the great GTK apps I enjoy like Evince and GNOME Mplayer and so on.
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby /Zoran\ on Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:45 pm

anzan wrote:
monkeyboy wrote:Well then we will just have to wait and see what happens. My bet is after GNOME Shell is released that the sun will rise, birds will sing and most of us will still be using our computers. Enjoy


Agreed indeed. And for those who enjoy GNOME Shell, blessings be upon them.

I'll miss GNOME but still donate to the Foundation and support the great GTK apps I enjoy like Evince and GNOME Mplayer and so on.


You can still have GNOME with the regular interface, just because GNOME Shell is "out there", doesn't mean you should run away from GNOME :D
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby jeffreyC on Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:38 pm

I saw this and it makes me glad I use Xfce

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3.html
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Re: What's with the hate for Gnome Shell? Give it a chance!

Postby dawgdoc on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:55 pm

jeffreyC wrote:I saw this and it makes me glad I use Xfce

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3.html

What do you think of his conclusion? I am willing to switch to Gnome 3, but I have some of the same reservations re: right click, multiple windows in focus, etc.
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