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Debian Cut

Postby psych1610 on Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:26 pm

A few weeks ago I was reading through some posts on here (somewhere) and came across an idea by Clem to make LMDE slightly more stable by releasing testing updates after a set period of time, after some testing I assume, instead of immediately when they come down the pipe. In this way users could be almost assured that the updates themselves won't break the system.

Well, fast forward to today and reading on OMG!Ubuntu and found a post about Debian Cut which, though experimental, seems to be doing the exact same thing Clem was suggesting: That is, release ISO's regularly in a fashion that makes testing constantly usable. Even if the team chooses not to release monthly ISO's perhaps the packages from CUT would be of use in doing what was originally suggested. It seems like it would certainly remove a lot of the work anyway.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/debi ... g-release/

Granted, I'm a little out of date on this one and maybe this is where the idea originally came from to do periodic updates of LMDE but I haven't seen it and thought it worth mentioning.
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Re: Debian Cut

Postby vrkalak on Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:28 am

This subject has already been discussed on this forum several times in the recent past.

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=68891&p=398200&hilit=debian+cut#p398200
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=56919&p=326264&hilit=debian+cut#p326264

Debian CUT Project News > http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2010/13/index.en.html

Best discussion about Debian CUT is, of course, at the Debian User Forums or at Ask.Debian.net

http://lwn.net/Articles/406589/
http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/
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Re: Debian Cut

Postby psych1610 on Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:52 pm

I must be blind, my apologies. I definitely searched for this before I posted and came up with nothing relevant. Or at least not that I saw.
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Re: Debian Cut

Postby kwevej on Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:52 am

Thanks psych1610, I didn't know about the project.
Sounds promising.
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Re: Debian Cut

Postby zerozero on Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:39 am

the most interesting part about this project is how it can bring stability to LMDE

clem wrote:What's coming next is an alteration of mintupdate that is specific to Debian. We'll snapshot the Debian repositories and "open the tap" at regular intervals (monthly for instance). Users will be upgrading to a snapshot we're familiar with, and the update manager will not only list updates but inform users about particular problems for this snapshot and maybe even solve some of them automatically. From a communication point of view, it will also ease the process, as you won't be referring to a particular date (as you did in this thread) but to a snapshot number.
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Re: Debian Cut

Postby dbkblk on Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:56 am

I'm also very interested by Debian CUT or the LMDE-way but... how many time do you think it will take ? weeks ? months ? a year ?
I would like to have a preview of the unavoidable waiting time
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Re: Debian Cut

Postby zerozero on Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:00 am

i believe in LMDE will never happen before summer;
clem is now buzzy with Mint11, and it's quiet a task, so only after that, i guess.
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Re: Debian Cut

Postby Aging Technogeek on Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:17 am

I just scanned the article on Debian Cut and it seems to be very similar to what Peppermint Linux is doing. They had an initial release several months ago and release what they call respins at intervals whenever there have been enough updates to justify a new version of the .iso file.

It is apparently working well for them. They keep the number of updates needed after an installation to a manageable number and new users get the latest versions of all installed software.

It is possible that Kendall Weaver, the main developer of Peppermint, got the idea either from the early news about Debian Cut, or from Discussions among the Mint devs (Kendall maintains the LXDE and Fluxbox versions) about doing this in LMDE.
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Re: Debian Cut

Postby vrkalak on Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:50 pm

Aging Technogeek wrote:I just scanned the article on Debian Cut and it seems to be very similar to what Peppermint Linux is doing. They had an initial release several months ago and release what they call respins at intervals whenever there have been enough updates to justify a new version of the .iso file.

It is apparently working well for them. They keep the number of updates needed after an installation to a manageable number and new users get the latest versions of all installed software


This is, also, what Bohdi/Linux is doing. Bohdi is an Ubuntu-LTS off-shoot, that uses the Enlightenment desktop.

Bodhi only does a main distro upgrade along with the Ubuntu-LTS version (once every 18 months or so)
With a distro-updated version every 3 months ... to keep the number of updates down.

Bodhi/Linux main website > http://www.bodhilinux.com/
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