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Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby rbeltz48 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:58 pm

I am using LM 13 and just did the major update from MATE 1.4 to MATE 1.6 etc. which showed up today in the update manager. It destroyed my desktop and made all applications unusable. In addition, my wife's laptop can't be updated because of some error which no one on the forum has as solution to. I can no longer depnd on Linux Mint to be a stable distro and will be looking for another distro which IS stable. Very sad indeed as I had such high hopes for Mint as a long-term OS.
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Postby RodMyers on Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:32 pm

How did you do the update?

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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby rbeltz48 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:34 pm

The normal way, through Update Manager.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby thorx89 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:47 pm

Same here. So pissed off. :D
I fixed everything but I can't get mintmenu to work. :/
I tried to revert back to MATE 1.4, but those packages are no longer available and I don't have them cached. At the same time, MATE 1.2 has issues (and those packages still are in the repo), so I'm kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby thorx89 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:54 pm

Anyhow, if you want to fix your system, the issue seems to be that mintupdate doesn't get/upgrade all the necessary packages.
Try something like
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$ sudo apt-get install mate-desktop
in your terminal (virtual console, if you can't get the GUI to work) or somehow fix the broken dependencies manually (I don't recall what I did exactly).

Then, MATE 1.6 seems to store desktop settings differently , so you'll lose your settings but you can get most of them back by
getting this migration script:
https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/edit/master/tools/mate-conf-import
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$  wget https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/edit/master/tools/mate-conf-import

and running it
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$  python mate-conf-import


This got most of my desktop settings back.

Still, no mintmenu yet. :-/
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby BrunoMiranda on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:33 pm

@rbeltz48,
Yes, you are right these things shouldn't happen in a stable LTS, and your anger is justified. But you know have a solution for it, hope you can get it working back again and unboil yourself down... 8) Computers have no brains, so they are as fallible as the ones that program them, and I know they work a lot for my great OS free as in free beer! So the Mint and Mate devs still have all my patience, respect and gratitude. :wink:

The same thing happened to me while I was doing serious work, but there again, even knowing chances things break are low, I shouldn't update while working, mea culpa here on my behalf. :roll:

Since I'm no expert, it took me an hour of trial and error until I find the solution, but I made it work back again on my own so I'm happy, I've learned a couple of new tricks. Came here to see if there were people needed help but someone helped first, so it's always nice to see the community working fast! Kudos! :D


Ok, so I can boot my system now but I've got my notifications changed and I cannot see where to configure it. Shouldn't it be in the Control Center? :?: It's not! :?

Meanwhile, I've been digging around and I've checked that mate-notification-daemon is not installed. I tried to, but it depends on libmatewnck (>= 1.5.1) and apt says I have hold packages. libmatewnck depends on libmatewnck, in turn depending on libmatewnck-common (= 1.6.0-1+precise) but 1.6.1-1+maya is to be installed.

So it's my turn to ask for help and suggestions... :mrgreen:

Any hints, or, since this is not critical at all, should I just wait for a couple of days and hope the solution is inserted into the repos?

Please note that I upgraded from mate 1.6 (.1, I guess). I've done a dist-upgrade on the terminal.
Should I also run :?:

Then, MATE 1.6 seems to store desktop settings differently , so you'll lose your settings but you can get most of them back by
getting this migration script:
https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-de ... onf-import

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$ wget https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-de ... onf-import


and running it

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$ python mate-conf-import
Bye for now,
Bruno


(Always backup before you fvckup :mrgreen: )
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby jazz.h on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:42 pm

One more Mint 13 setup destroyed... :(
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby mfreeman on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:48 pm

I had very little trouble getting my desktop back after some searching and figuring things out. But, I'm a bit annoyed that the new Mint menu button on the panel doesn't do transparency. So, I have a nice, semi-transparent panel that looks great, but then there's this big, ugly, blah-gray button messing up the whole effect. Anyone know how to fix this problem? I noticed someone posted a bug report about it on Github about 4 months ago, but no one ever replied, and apparently the problem was never fixed. I'd appreciate some help getting my desktop back to looking nice again. Especially since this is probably the last Mint I'll ever be able to get running on this aging laptop (I've read that the AMD/ATI legacy drivers don't run on the newer Xorg versions).

I want it to look as good as it's gonna get. MATE 1.6 ain't cutting it, and I'm a little ticked off about it.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby rbeltz48 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:56 pm

I couldn't do anything. All the themes were changed. I first tried to add a new panel at the top. Then my screen went crazy with all the icons jumping up and down, like fluttering. The bottom panel completely disappeared! None of the applications would run! A complete disaster!! I managed to backup all my data files to a flash drive. Then re-installed Mint 13 and turned all updates OFF until I figure out what I want to do for another distro that is really STABLE.

This has got to be the biggest screw up ever from the Mint team. VERY upsetting to say the least.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby JoeInMN on Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:56 pm

Update Manager bumped my netbook up to MATE 1.6 just a little bit ago here. Everything seems to have gone well for me, or at least I haven't run into anything actually seriously broken yet, but yes, I did have to redo most of my desktop and panel settings. That was a little unexpected and annoying, but I guess it took me only about ten minutes. I run a single MATE panel on the bottom of the screen.

Edit: And all of my keyboard layout options were reset, and I had to redo those.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby Trapper on Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:02 am

JoeInMN wrote: Everything seems to have gone well for me, or at least I haven't run into anything actually seriously broken yet, but yes, I did have to redo most of my desktop and panel settings.


This is the experience we are having with all our boxes here. Various hardware and software configurations. No major damages but we do have to reset our panel(s) and a number of other MATE configuration settings. No meltdowns, disintegrating or permanently disabled boxes though. For us it's been a hiccup rather than a barf.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby msz59 on Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:33 am

Same here, extremely annoying for a LTS "stable" system.

Lost all conf settings after regular update through update-manager. Mostly recovered manually by setting all from the scratch (removing some obvious directories and some not-so-obvious dirs/files). BTW, there should be some option to get to "MATE factory defaults".

Really bad:

1. Super_L key apparently hard-linked to Mint Menu, was unable to assign it raise-or-lower window function which I have been using on Apple Cmd/Windows key for years! Only able to fix by setting "Hyper mapped to Win-keys" in Keyboard Layouts Options Alt/Win Behavior menu. Still, Keyboard Shortcuts report it as "Mod2 Hyper_L" but it works without any additional "Mods".
2. Clicking the window's "body" does not select nor raise it, only the title bar.
3. Mateconfig-editor shows entries which are incompatible with settings done through Control Center. I check "Select windows when mouse moves over them" in CC->Windows and conf editor still shows "focus_mode" - "click".
4. Xmodmap file ignored on startup, even if explicitly put in start-up script as "xmodmap ~/Xmodmap" (other commands from that script work, so the script itself is executed)

I am VERY DISAPPOINTED

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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby fraxinus_63 on Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:10 am

The update seems to have gone smoothly for me, and on two quite different computers. I simply ran Update Manager and let it do its thing.

* I found I lost my MATE desktop settings but I had no trouble re-creating them manually. Admittedly, it helps that my own desktop is not heavily customised.
* I lost sound, but was able to set it up again in Control Centre.
* I had problems getting Pluma to work. Looking in Synaptic I found an update listed and installed it manually - now it is fine.

Perhaps I have been fortunate, and I do sympathise with people who have had issues after big upgrades like this.

I think the important thing for Mint to emphasise in documentation (perhaps in information that appears on screen during first install?) that the user has choices to make when they decide which repositories to enable. This will affect how you manage a LTS release in particular, because enabling backports in your Software Sources will lead to pretty significant changes over the distro's life span.

The update being discussed in this thread is an "optional" one that users receive by accepting backports. You can choose the safest/"stablest" route by leaving this option unchecked. If you opt to take backported packages as well as the main updates, you are opening yourself up to much more comprehensive updates from time to time. When these updates include (for example) a new version of MATE or Cinnamon, it is perhaps not surprising that things like desktop settings return to factory defaults. I agree that in an ideal world they probably would not (!) - but at least one can be prepared before a big update for the fact that a bit of "sorting out" might be needed afterwards.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby clem on Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:29 am

rbeltz48 wrote:I couldn't do anything. All the themes were changed. I first tried to add a new panel at the top. Then my screen went crazy with all the icons jumping up and down, like fluttering. The bottom panel completely disappeared! None of the applications would run! A complete disaster!! I managed to backup all my data files to a flash drive. Then re-installed Mint 13 and turned all updates OFF until I figure out what I want to do for another distro that is really STABLE.

This has got to be the biggest screw up ever from the Mint team. VERY upsetting to say the least.


There are no "updates" to MATE 1.6 in Maya. You must be mistaken. Only "backports" to people who opt-in to the backport repository.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby mfreeman on Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:34 am

Hey, Clem,

Any way to get panel transparency working on the new Mint menu applet? That's the only real problem I have with this. Everything else works fine. Functionally, it's much better than 1.4, but visually it's messing up my nice transparent theme to have this big gray button on the left side of my panel. Any way to fix it?
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby clem on Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:41 am

fraxinus_63 wrote:The update being discussed in this thread is an "optional" one that users receive by accepting backports. You can choose the safest/"stablest" route by leaving this option unchecked. If you opt to take backported packages as well as the main updates, you are opening yourself up to much more comprehensive updates from time to time. When these updates include (for example) a new version of MATE or Cinnamon, it is perhaps not surprising that things like desktop settings return to factory defaults. I agree that in an ideal world they probably would not (!) - but at least one can be prepared before a big update for the fact that a bit of "sorting out" might be needed afterwards.


Yes. It's hard to please everybody. Some people want a stable OS, others want backports, the best we can do is to make this available as an opt-in, and that's exactly what we did.

The quality of the updates themselves is pretty good. Sure there are some rough edges here and there and of course novice users should not engage in upgrades of this magnitude but things work out of the box on vanilla installs and the migrations are easy for anyone with a bit of experience with Linux. The real problem here, as I see it, is that it's way too easy for people to enable backports without worrying about what it means.

We no longer use software properties, but the situation is similar in mintsources. I'll add this to our roadmap.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby clem on Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:45 am

mfreeman wrote:Hey, Clem,

Any way to get panel transparency working on the new Mint menu applet? That's the only real problem I have with this. Everything else works fine. Functionally, it's much better than 1.4, but visually it's messing up my nice transparent theme to have this big gray button on the left side of my panel. Any way to fix it?


I'm not sure it's possible unfortunately.. MATE 1.6 switched from mateconf to gsettings. Gsettings doesn't have any python bindings so we had to use gobject introspection. GObject introspection means we could no longer use pygtk... We still wanted to stick to GTK2 but we had to use ctype for things to work ok (gi is awful with gtk2) and we had to give up on some gtk2 functionality which we could not port.

Long term the migration to gsettings and dbus is good for the MATE project, but it's been real tough on us with mintmenu. We managed to get a functional menu and that is quite an achievement already :)

I'll add that transparency issue to our roadmap for mintmenu and I'll have a look to see if we can get it working.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby mfreeman on Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:13 pm

OK. Understood. Thank you for your reply on this! I'll just have to make due until another solution is found. Unfortunately, Mint 13 is probably the last Mint I can run on my poor old laptop, unless the open source graphics drivers get on par with the speed of the AMD proprietary drivers, because I've read that the Xorg version used in newer Ubuntus don't work with the legacy AMD drivers. So I may be stuck with this unless a fix is found before Mint 17LTS is out.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby TheDynamicHamza21 on Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:07 pm

The update destroyed my desktop as well. I can't downgrade to mate 1.4. The is first time in my six years of using Linux my DE broke. :evil:



That link ends with 404 error here's right link


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https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/blob/master/tools/mate-conf-import


and running it
$ python mate-conf-import



Running this throws up another error:

File "mate-conf-import", line 4
<!DOCTYPE html>
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax


There's no way I reinstalling, so I guess I going have make do with XFCE until this gets sorted out.
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Re: Leaving Linux Mint After Doing MATE 1.6 Update

Postby Trapper on Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:42 pm

TheDynamicHamza21 wrote:
There's no way I reinstalling, so I guess I going have make do with XFCE until this gets sorted out.


I am not sure you should be expecting it to be 'sorted out'. This isn't a bad update that is going to get fixed. It is an opt-in backport of LM16 MATE 1.6. MATE 1.6 'does not' use mateconf settings. It uses gsettings instead. That's why everyone's desktop is screwed up when they install MATE 1.6 over Mate 1.2 or 1.4. It is up to the user to reconfigure their desktop settings and prefs just like they would with a new install.

There are reasonable options other than bailing out for something else. If you can't fixed what's messed up you can always opt to do a new install of LM 13 and not opt in to backports in your repository sources (there's no harm in staying at 1.4) or you can install LM13 and do the backport install of MATE 1.6 prior to setting anything else up, restoring your home, etc. I tested the latter today and it works just fine. I am on that box right now. Or just use LM16 with MATE 1.6 for now. LM17 is out next and I believe it's LTS too.
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