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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby stefano-k on Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:03 pm

stovenator wrote:Hrm. I don't see the indicator applet in mate-applets.


mate-applets contains system monitor applet.

indicator applet need to be packaged yet... I think it will be packaged in some days
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby thomas823 on Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:30 pm

stovenator wrote:
stefano-k wrote:
thomas823 wrote:yeah thats really annoying.. why has it been removed? any way to get it back?


install mate-applets package


Hrm. I don't see the indicator applet in mate-applets.

I was looking for the System Monitor Applet. Finally got it working after upgrading everything multiple times.
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby shams on Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:06 pm

My VGA driver did not work correctly with GNOME shell. Problem is posted here. So, I want to avoid Mate and use GNOME shell like in Julia or Katya. So, how can I do that?
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby Konstigt on Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:09 pm

Is there an ETA for mate 1.1 for LM 12?

mate is nice but I don't think it's a permanent solution. Maybe just the best way of having an up-to-date OS now without using gnome3/unity.

Maybe this is the way of the future, Cinnamon:

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=205&t=89411
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby KBD47 on Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:57 pm

Cinnamon is nice, but for those with cards that cannot run Gnome Shell, MATE will be very important.
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby kmb42vt on Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:18 pm

shams wrote:My VGA driver did not work correctly with GNOME shell. Problem is posted here. So, I want to avoid Mate and use GNOME shell like in Julia or Katya. So, how can I do that?


I think you might be a bit confused. There is no gnome-shell in Julia or Katya, the default desktop environment was Gnome 2.32 in both. In "Lisa"(Linux Mint 12) the choices you have is either is the default Gnome (Gnome3/gnome-shell), Fallback mode (Gnome 3 without gnome-shell) and MATE (Gnome 2.32 fork). If you're looking for the Gnome 2.32 experience on LIsa then your only current choice is MATE. MATE, which is a direct fork of Gnome 2.32, is actually quite stable and functional. There are a few things missing yet but for beta software it's very usable. Unfortunately, Gnome 2 is gone but MATE for all intents and purposes will be virtually indistinguishable from Gnome 2 within the next few months.

Is there any particular reason you want to avoid MATE?
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby mank_in on Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:39 pm

@kmb42vt ,shams problem is viewtopic.php?f=18&t=89623
All i know some VGA driver have problem with GNOME shell not MATE
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby KBD47 on Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:40 pm

I really like MATE, but one thing that needs improvement is font rendering. The fonts are no where near as nice as in Gnome 2. Are there plans to improve this?
Thanks.
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby shams on Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:47 pm

kmb42vt wrote:
shams wrote:My VGA driver did not work correctly with GNOME shell. Problem is posted here. So, I want to avoid Mate and use GNOME shell like in Julia or Katya. So, how can I do that?


I think you might be a bit confused. There is no gnome-shell in Julia or Katya, the default desktop environment was Gnome 2.32 in both. In "Lisa"(Linux Mint 12) the choices you have is either is the default Gnome (Gnome3/gnome-shell), Fallback mode (Gnome 3 without gnome-shell) and MATE (Gnome 2.32 fork). If you're looking for the Gnome 2.32 experience on LIsa then your only current choice is MATE. MATE, which is a direct fork of Gnome 2.32, is actually quite stable and functional. There are a few things missing yet but for beta software it's very usable. Unfortunately, Gnome 2 is gone but MATE for all intents and purposes will be virtually indistinguishable from Gnome 2 within the next few months.

Is there any particular reason you want to avoid MATE?

--> Actually I know little about Linux Mint or Linux/Ubuntu based OS. You can treat me as a newbie. May be that makes me confused. However, now I am clear about GNOME Shell :D Thank you.
mank_in wrote:@kmb42vt ,shams problem is viewtopic.php?f=18&t=89623
All i know some VGA driver have problem with GNOME shell not MATE

--> How can I recover from this problem? Changing VGA or some other else?
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby kmb42vt on Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:56 pm

mank_in wrote:@kmb42vt ,shams problem is viewtopic.php?f=18&t=89623
All i know some VGA driver have problem with GNOME shell not MATE


Yup, I got that but the way sham's post was worded it seemed like the preferred DE sham wanted was the Gnome 2 desktop ("...like in Julia or Katya"). Sham called the older DE gnome-shell. Either way, according to the referenced thread, the problem seems to have been solved by upgrading the 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' package?
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby kmb42vt on Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:07 pm

KBD47 wrote:I really like MATE, but one thing that needs improvement is font rendering. The fonts are no where near as nice as in Gnome 2. Are there plans to improve this?
Thanks.
KBD47


In the past versions of Linux Mint font rendering was already set at the best possible settings for LCD displays ("Subpixel smoothing", 'slight' and RGB via 'Appearance Preferences' under the 'Fonts' tab)). In Linux Mint 12's MATE DE this has not been set and has to be set by the user. 'Appearance preferences' can be accessed by right-clicking on your MATE desktop and choosing 'Change desktop background' just as in Gnome 2 (although I'm sure you know this). :D
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby KBD47 on Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:50 pm

Thanks kmb42vt! That fixed it. I'm surprised that was not set by default. I thought there might have been a problem with a fontconfig file or something.
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby kmb42vt on Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:53 pm

KBD47 wrote:Thanks kmb42vt! That fixed it. I'm surprised that was not set by default. I thought there might have been a problem with a fontconfig file or something.


MATE is still very much a work in progress and there are still plenty of bits and pieces from Gnome 2.32 that have to be "forked" over to MATE yet. Anything that would interfere/conflict with the inner workings of Gnome 3. Once that is done then MATE can be fully "Mintified" as it were. :D
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby KBD47 on Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:36 am

I think the only thing I'm missing from MATE right now is volume control with my fn up/down buttons. I added xfce4-power-manager and put it in the startup menu to get my battery icon on the panel. So once I get volume control it will work as well as the other desktops I use.
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby Amanas on Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:05 am

KBD47 wrote:I think the only thing I'm missing from MATE right now is volume control with my fn up/down buttons. I added xfce4-power-manager and put it in the startup menu to get my battery icon on the panel. So once I get volume control it will work as well as the other desktops I use.


mate-settings-daemon-1.1.0-4 has a fix for the volume control and other keyboard shortcuts. It's currently available in the tridex repo.
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby stefano-k on Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:05 am

HI,
I packaged mate-indicator-applet, but today I cannot test it on ubuntu... Can you try it and report here if it works?

You can download it here: http://mate.karapetsas.com/download/mat ... 1_i386.deb

or http://mate.karapetsas.com/download/mat ... 1_i386.deb for debian.

Thanks!
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby perberos on Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:53 pm

shams wrote:My VGA driver did not work correctly with GNOME shell. Problem is posted here. So, I want to avoid Mate and use GNOME shell like in Julia or Katya. So, how can I do that?

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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby ron1 on Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:13 pm

Is there a way that I can install the latest version of Mate with all of the fixes/patches without using the Mint repositories? I have a laptop running Ubuntu and installing from the Mint repositories really messes things up. I had to reinstall (should have just installed Mint) and now have reconfigured everything. I run Mint on my other computer, but I'd really like to try Mate out on this particular one.

Thanks in advance.....
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby KBD47 on Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:58 pm

Amanas wrote:
mate-settings-daemon-1.1.0-4 has a fix for the volume control and other keyboard shortcuts. It's currently available in the tridex repo.

Mi
Can I use that tridex repo and the Mint repo at the same time? Will it mess things up?
Thanks.
KBD47
PS--when I add that repo I get:

W: GPG error: http://tridex.net wheezy InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 68980A0EA10B4DE8
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Re: Mate Desktop Environment - GNOME2 fork

Postby stefano-k on Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:41 pm

ron1 wrote:Is there a way that I can install the latest version of Mate with all of the fixes/patches without using the Mint repositories?


Yes, use the Tridex repo. See here: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/doku.php/download#ubuntu

KBD47 wrote:Can I use that tridex repo and the Mint repo at the same time? Will it mess things up?


Yes, you can. They are compatible.

KBD47 wrote:PS--when I add that repo I get:
W: GPG error: http://tridex.net wheezy InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 68980A0EA10B4DE8


apt-get install mate-archive-keyring
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