Lolo Uila wrote:Yes, I know that MATE and Cinnamon are still in early development, and will improve over time, but no one really addressed my original question.
Why bother adding all this stuff to Gnome3/Shell instead of just replacing it with an established, user friendly DE. As I understand it, MATE/Cinnamon will never really be Gnome-2. And besides, adding bloatware on top of something else to "fix" it is the MicroSoft way, not the Linux way.
It still just seems like wasted effort. Not that I don't appreciate the effort. I know Clem and team are trying to do what they think is right. But perhaps that effort is misguided...
That same effort could be put towards moving main edition away from Ubuntu/Gnome3 to Xubuntu, with it's more efficient, more user friendly DE (Xfce). If that effort were used to tweak Mint to really take advantage of the lighter Xfce DE we'd end up with a lean, high performance OS, instead of the Linux version of Windows-7.
Well, in answer to your question (hopefully) I should probably start by saying you should never take what you "hear" to heart. Unless you experience it directly yourself, what you "hear" is mostly bunk and in this case, it's all bunk. Saying that Cinnamon and MATE will never be Gnome-2 is like saying that you or I (or anyone else for that matter) can foretell the future which of course, no one can. This type of gossip you can ignore. But to get to the point.
Gnome 2 was and still is the most popular DE for GNU/Linux above and beyond all the rest including KDE, LXDE and Xfce. That doesn't mean that any of the other DEs are any "less" so to speak, it's just Gnome 2 appealed to most of the users--who can say why? It just is. That being said, Cinnamon is not intended to be Gnome 2 in any way, shape or form and never was. Cinnamon is a fork of gnome-shell and is entirely dependent on Gnome 3. The intent of Cinnamon is to provide the familiar Linux Mint
styled Gnome 2 interface for those who want to use the new technologies of Gnome 3 but do not like the experience that the original gnome-shell provides with or without the use of extensions. This appears to be a whole lot of users.
On the other hand, MATE is a direct fork of the latest version of Gnome 2 (2.32) and, once released, will be everything that Gnome 2.32 was and more since it will be under constant development. There are plenty of Gnome 2 users who have felt left behind by Gnome.orgs' decisions of late and they rightly should be. So there is a whole lot of effort behind the development MATE to fill the gap that was left behind when Gnome 2 was deprecated. Also, MATE directly runs on Ubuntu and has nothing to do with Gnome 3 or gnome-shell.
Now, none of the DEs offered in Linux Mint 12 or what will be offered in 13 can really be considered "bloatware". Either you run Gnome (Gnome 3/gnome-shell with or without MGSE), Cinnamon (Gnome 3/Cinnamon) or MATE (stands alone). One isn't layered over the other, they're all separate DEs. And I "hear"
there are also plans to release a separate MATE only edition for those who want strictly a Gnome 2 experience.
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