Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby cwwgateway on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:27 pm

Daniel4lm wrote:Only a small piece of information: Swapped Mutter 3.2.1 with Muffin 1.0.0 in next ver. of (github)

This probably isn't the right place to ask this, but what is muffin?
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby crzen on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:04 pm

@kaykao & kmb42vt It might be a theme issue. I am also able to reproduce it, but only with that theme. Or maybe its intentional (active scroll on hover). I know firefox does this with too many bookmarks. :oops:
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby Kakao on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:14 pm

cwwgateway wrote:
Daniel4lm wrote:Only a small piece of information: Swapped Mutter 3.2.1 with Muffin 1.0.0 in next ver. of (github)

This probably isn't the right place to ask this, but what is muffin?

A fork of Mutter:

https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/blob/master/README

Then what is Mutter? It is a window manager based in Metacity acording to this Wikipedia article:
GNOME Shell uses Mutter, a compositing window manager based on the Metacity window manager, and the Clutter toolkit to provide visual effects and hardware acceleration.[7] According to GNOME Shell maintainer[8] Owen Taylor, it is set up as a Mutter plugin largely written in Javascript.[9]

So Cinnamon would be now a Muffin plugin.
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby cwwgateway on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:48 pm

Kakao wrote:
cwwgateway wrote:
Daniel4lm wrote:Only a small piece of information: Swapped Mutter 3.2.1 with Muffin 1.0.0 in next ver. of (github)

This probably isn't the right place to ask this, but what is muffin?

A fork of Mutter:

https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/blob/master/README

Then what is Mutter? It is a window manager based in Metacity acording to this Wikipedia article:
GNOME Shell uses Mutter, a compositing window manager based on the Metacity window manager, and the Clutter toolkit to provide visual effects and hardware acceleration.[7] According to GNOME Shell maintainer[8] Owen Taylor, it is set up as a Mutter plugin largely written in Javascript.[9]

So Cinnamon would be now a Muffin plugin.

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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby z06gal on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:08 pm

Mmmmmm....cinnamon muffins :mrgreen:
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby Monsta on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:32 pm

OMG, now Mutter is forked too :shock:
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby craig10x on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:56 pm

I'll have my mint 12 with some cinnamon on it please :mrgreen:
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby Monsta on Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:03 am

Now it seems logical to fork autotools, name it autocooking or something like that, and use recipes instead of configure scripts and makefiles... :D
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby bimsebasse on Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:37 am

Muffin! :D

looking forward to run cinnamon with muffin
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby craig10x on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:01 pm

I was actually "quoted" in this brand new article about Cinnamon... :D
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Mint- ... 74163.html

By the way...what the heck is "muffin" ? :lol:
I do love them for breakfast though :mrgreen:
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby Zenkibou on Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:30 am

bimsebasse wrote:In what way is Gnome Shell a tablet interface?

I wanted to reply to that before, because I saw some month ago a blog post (likely on planet gnome) talking about the how they wouldn't make smaller "All Applications" buttons because it would be less touch-friently.

But today I saw this blog post http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/welcome-to-the-post-wimp-era/, which perfectly describes what I saw earlier. Let me quote (emphasis is mine):
Where does all this leave GNOME? GNOME 2 was firmly in the WIMP camp. With GNOME 3, we improved on that by starting to move away from the classic WIMP approach. There is no ‘desktop’ in GNOME 3, for example. The new GNOME 3 applications won’t typically behave like normal windows, either. They will be maximized by default and won’t have titlebars when they are maximized. A lot of the time you will not actually be able to tell that there is a window there at all.

Work to make GNOME 3 touch compatible is ongoing. Current design work is focusing on a number of areas, including scrolling. We are also developing touch compatible approaches to application design, so that new GNOME 3 applications will be effective with touchscreens. Here you will find click targets that are the right size for fingers, and we are making use of drag actions for key functionality. We are also planning ahead to make use of multitouch capabilities once they become available.

But touch does not come at the expense of pointing devices. GNOME 3 will remain a highly effective environment for pointer and keyboard input, which we will continue to optimise for. Many of the features of touch design, such as the use of drag actions and kinetic scrolling will be effective and enjoyable when using mouse input. Multitouch can also be used to positive effect with both touchpads and touchscreens. As this work progresses, those of us who contribute to GNOME design are finding that it is possible to create coherent designs that are effective using a variety of input devices.


I currently think that the modifications done in gnome-shell for tablet and touch-based control are too much degrading the UI for keyboard/mouse. Thank you, but I never maximize windows.

I don't say that it is not possible to have a good desktop working for both mouse+keyboard and touchscreen, but I think that Gnome3 is currently making too much concessions.
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby crzen on Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:27 pm

I agree that Gnome3 & Gnome shell are steps towards a "tablet style" interface, not just for tablets themselves, with Gnome classic (fallback mode) being used for "non-cutting edge" desktops.

I think the Gnome devs are looking ahead and trying to implement a DE that will be compatible with touchscreen monitors and "Kinect style" (my words) user interaction. Although its always a good idea to look ahead, I also think they are jumping the gun a little on implementation for the day when a physical keyboard and mouse are obsolete.

Thats why I like Cinnamon and Mate. The Mint team doesnt seem to want to leave their base desktop users hanging, as Gnome classic does, until the base moves to the new tech or that tech gets widely adopted.

But thats just my opinion.
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby bimsebasse on Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:05 am

When Gnome shell has all windows maximized by default, has big application launchers on your home screen instead of actively preventing you from creating any and actually exists as a tablet interface, then the moaning will have some justification. On my desktop I get work done quicker in gnome shell than in gnome-panel exactly because it caters so much for keyboard power users, it's simple and easy to get things done, and quick, it's just different than grabbing your mouse clicking on things looking in menus and expanded submenus, not slower, not more difficult, just different.

iPad desktop:
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The extraordinarily tablet friendly Gnome 3 desktop:
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby pony-tail on Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:29 am

not slower, not more difficult, just different.

Not only "just different" totally unintuitive !
You have your view I have mine - all of your hard sell will not change my mind !
If everybody had the same view it would be a boring world .
Our differing views no more makes you right and me wrong or me right and you wrong . there is never going to be a one size fits all solution .
I am not a touch typist - I am a motor mechanic , not a software developer .. Keyboard shortcuts have little or no value to me - I would ( and often do ) prefer to use a console to your keyboard shortcuts .
It ( Gnome Shell ) does not and will not be of any use to me in its standard form - It works for you go use it !
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby bimsebasse on Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:43 pm

Only one open "issue" before 1.1.4. is ... issueless and at least on paper ready for release: https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/i ... pen&page=1

It's gonna be a great update with extensions and applets and the new Cinnamon Settings tool.
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby Kakao on Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:23 pm

Fedora users already enjoying a packaged version of Cinnamon Settings:

http://s1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa4 ... /cinnamon/
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby cwwgateway on Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:08 pm

Kakao wrote:Fedora users already enjoying a packaged version of Cinnamon Settings:

http://s1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa4 ... /cinnamon/

You can get Cinnamon Settings now from a ppa, but it looks like an older or less feature-rich version.

Edit: Cinnamon Settings looks really neat. I wonder how the change desktop layout works. And Desktop affects. And applets vs. extensions.
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby lurkatron on Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:14 am

Kakao wrote:Fedora users already enjoying a packaged version of Cinnamon Settings:

http://s1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa4 ... /cinnamon/


thats starting to look pretty decent!
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby randomizer on Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:25 am

Forgive me for asking as it may have already been asked, but how closely will Cinnamon and its forked components track changes in GNOME/GNOME Shell/Mutter from now on? Is it going to go well off on its own direction or run alongside its upstream project?
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby Kakao on Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:55 am

Preferences and Administration menus:

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