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Vanilla Ice Ice Baby

Postby Nerdboy on Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:31 am

Hi

long time listner first time user, well as Vanilla used to say "All right stop Collaborate and listen" Just a thought, i come from windows i have an A+ and a MCE. but the land of linux is a strange beast, although Mint makes it less strange. As i have just arrived here after installing linux for the first time on my father in laws machine can i make one suggestion?

ok Linux is not Windows, Windows is not Linux, but i know, as i am sure alot of you do to users of Windows, who are desperate to get out or try something else. Sure you can dual boot, sure you can run a virtual PC in sanbox mode, but what about the end user, like my father in law, (and me) who dont know how to do these things or are to scared to try?

Has anyone from linux sat down over a cup of java and talked to a windows user to see what they might like in Linux and Visa (i said Visa not Vista lol)vera? (please dont flame) im serious, and id be glad to offer input if any one ever asked.

What i hate about some linux communties is the elitest attidutude you can get in the forums and so far i havent seen this here, its been very friendly and helpful so far. Im sure if any one ever asked a windows user, it wouldnt be to much they would want to change :)

Any way take care

Daz
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Re: Vanilla Ice Ice Baby

Postby Fred on Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:15 pm

Daz,

If I may, I'll comment from my perspective. That's all any of us can do, because the Linux community is not of one voice. We are a community of people, just like the town or community you live in, in real life. We are not a company or corp. with a common goal and command structure, but a rather large group of individuals.

What you are seeing is a clash of differing expectations and cultural differences. Different people respond in different ways to this meeting of fire and water, so to speak.

The proprietary software companies have expended a tremendous amount of resources over the last 15 or so years to set your expectations up in a manner that is most advantageous to them. And at the same time make it as difficult as possible to do any other way. If you will search through some of my posts, I have commented on this before.

Linux was never intended to be a better Windows, if anything it was intended to be a better Unix. But even that is a bit of a stretch. Hence the statement, "Linux is not Windows," as it was never intended to be.

Often times Windows users, having been exposed to so much marketing and expectations of a software company catering to them for their business, come to Linux with an attitude that is offensive to many in a community of volunteers. Hence the statement, "If you aren't happy with it, by all means ask for a refund."

For many, even most, in the community, converting Windows users to Linux users is not a high priority goal. I really don't know where that myth got started. The media maybe, I don't know. But let me tell you, it just isn't true. What is true is that most members of the Linux community are willing to help new users learn to use Linux. We were all helped when we got started and most are just giving back what was given to them. I know that is why I am here. It is certainly not my goal to go out, hog tie, and drag Windows users to Linux. If you are unhappy with Windows and are willing to learn a better way, I am your man. After all, you learned Windows. You can learn Linux too. I will help you anyway I can. If you want me to jump through hoops and change Linux to suite your Windows preconceptions, just so you can remain comfortable and computer illiterate, you picked the wrong guy. Linux is evolving and becoming easier to use every day, but that doesn't mean that it is, or should be, getting more like Windows. Easy to use doesn't necessarily equate to, "like Windows."

Enough philosophy for one post. :-)

Enjoy life.

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Re: Vanilla Ice Ice Baby

Postby symon1980 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:10 am

lol, i must say Fred. You did a good job there of explaining that.
Very true indeed. :)
you said what i was thinking:)
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Re: Vanilla Ice Ice Baby

Postby mickinator on Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:55 am

Yeah, good one Fred, couldn't have explained it better.

I might add that all "elitest" linux users, and that covers all linux distro's not just this one, are still learning. That's the thing I see with linux, no matter how long you're using it, you'll always have a question to ask. The difference is you know how to ask, and where to look before asking, and sometimes looking saves asking, as with linux, someone else more knowledgeable than you will often have had your problem. Linux is a constant learning zone, indeed I usually learn something new everytime I use my box, log on to various linux forums and when I find something useful, or a new way of doing something, I usually post it either here or on my blog, to save people asking, because I've found sometimes people seem to be afraid to ask.

My message to anybody using linux is, don't be afraid to ask, don't be afraid to search and don't be afraid to post what you've found, regardless of whether someone says it's a repost or not, you may have one thing that previous posters didn't. And that contributes to general knowledge.

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