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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby xenopeek on Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:34 pm

Have you used systemd? I'm using it on my Arch Linux install and much prefer it to the old SysV init. Together with journald, it's all easier to manage. I feel (my opinion) that a lot of flack is given to systemd based on that it works differently, because long ago learned things now have to be relearned. Anything new has a learning curve. Looking at the user side and what it does for the user, I much prefer it. I don't see Linux Mint switching to it, as Ubuntu is bound to Upstart. But perhaps if Debian switches to systemd...

30 biggest myths about systemd is an informative read: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby js3915 on Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:51 pm

Will be interesting to see if Debian adopts to SystemD.. Though still dont think Mint will as they follow ubuntu closely unless ubuntu scraps upstart... that said im sure its possible to switch but i dont know what that would entail... Might be too much work to remove one and install another
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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby xenopeek on Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:02 pm

js3915 wrote:Though still dont think Mint will as they follow ubuntu closely

I was talking about LMDE, which of course follows Debian :wink:
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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby clfarron4 on Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:15 pm

There is talk about debian moving from init, so LMDE may move.

I had more problems with init because of daemons not starting leading to the whole boot process halting.

Also, start-up with systemd in Arch is around 15 seconds for me, where startup in Mint is much longer (at least double that of Arch on the same hardware, or so it feels).
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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby lehjr on Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:17 pm

I know this discussion is a little bit old, but it appears that both Debian and Canonical will be moving to systemd: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/ubun ... ng-systemd
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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby asbesto on Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:10 am

But perhaps if Debian switches to systemd...


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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby Timberbeast on Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:46 pm

Hi all,

I just ran across this about SystemD. Sounds like Linus is really really pissed off.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n ... px=MTY1MzA

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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby xenopeek on Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:00 am

Timberbeast wrote:Sounds like Linus is really really pissed off.

It's not news quoting Linus, unless he's pissed off... Count me the number of articles you've seen where Linus wasn't pissed off :lol:

Anyway, if you've read that you'd know this is conflict with one developer--not with systemd as a whole. As a regular user this doesn't affect you at all (it's about the debug boot parameter).
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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby mmix on Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:50 pm

IMHO, systemd must not be used.
http://boycottsystemd.org/

mdev is udev alternative.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev
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Re: Switch to SystemD

Postby clfarron4 on Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:27 am

mmix wrote:IMHO, systemd must not be used.
http://boycottsystemd.org/

mdev is udev alternative.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev


Unfortunately, Debian has already confirmed they're moving to systemD, so it won't be long before Ubuntu does.

Unless you're into stripping your system down and building initscripts or OpenRC for yourself.
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