Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

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Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby chris0101 on Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:33 am

Not sure, but I think that this may have been suggested before, but would it be possible to make the default video player VLC rather than Totem? I think that it's generally accepted that VLC is considered among the best, if not the best multi-format video player currently around.

I do realize that it's relatively easy to install VLC and set it as the default player, although it's still something that well, saves trouble.

Basically the setup I am proposing would be:

If you open up any video file in the OS:
VLC is used

If you open up any file in the browser:
Totem, with it's plugins are used

(Actually if it were possible, I think there is a way to integrate VLC into Firefox by default for embedded videos, so perhaps Totem is not even needed for that).
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby MichaelTunnell on Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:06 pm

Mint 15 comes with Totem and VLC installed by default...not sure why both of them are but they are.

So to customize which is used when is not that hard to do.

I actually prefer Totem because on Linux VLC is a little bloated when compared to Totem. VLC is AWESOME and by far the best for Windows but on Linux it is really a tossup to user preference because they are both great.
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby MtnDewManiac on Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:10 pm

MichaelTunnell wrote:I actually prefer Totem because on Linux VLC is a little bloated when compared to Totem.


Hmm. I just opened a terminal window. Looking at System Load Monitor, I'm using 315 megs of RAM (not a fresh boot, I've got Firefox running with a bunch of web pages opened in tabs, a couple other apps running, and a bunch of panel applets). I ran totem in the terminal (typed totem and pressed Enter), waited ten seconds, checked my SLM, and saw that I was using 328 megs. I quit totem, ran VLC (typed vlc and pressed Enter), waited ten seconds, and saw that I was using 321 megs.

So, on my system, it looks like Totem uses seven more megs of RAM than VLC does. Wouldn't that make Totem the more bloated of the two?

(If you are speaking in terms of CPU usage, I don't really know how to properly compare them in that regard. Maybe some sort of script that asks you for the name of a video file, plays the entire thing with Totem, does the same with VLC, and then compares average CPU load for each? Possibly doing it twice, once for windowed mode and once for full-screen mode (in case the results are different)?)

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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby passerby on Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:28 pm

MtnDewManiac wrote:So, on my system, it looks like Totem uses seven more megs of RAM than VLC does. Wouldn't that make Totem the more bloated of the two?


Perhaps he was referring to the disk space used? The vlc-data package alone takes almost 30MB on my system, as opposed to totem and it's non-system dependencies, which look to take ~1/3 of that total.
Now that Mint has moved away from CD-sized ISOs, however, I don't think that should be a problem. I'd like to see VLC replace Totem.
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby MichaelTunnell on Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:16 pm

passerby wrote:Perhaps he was referring to the disk space used? The vlc-data package alone takes almost 30MB on my system, as opposed to totem and it's non-system dependencies, which look to take ~1/3 of that total.
Now that Mint has moved away from CD-sized ISOs, however, I don't think that should be a problem. I'd like to see VLC replace Totem.

that is what I meant but based on MtnDewManiac tests I decided to do the same tests and he is right...VLC is larger overall but it runs a much lower memory so yea makes sense to just use VLC.
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby MtnDewManiac on Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:59 am

To me, bloat is about the (additional) demands on RAM and CPU. Even with my limited hard drive space, I don't pay much attention to the size of an app that I'm installing as long as it is below a couple hundred megabytes. After all, it's not like it'll take 30 minutes to download like a distro .ISO would :roll: .

I, myself, was not a VLC user from day one. I used to use a distro that the .ISO was 2+ gigabytess in size (it's 3.8 gigs now, lol), so you can probably imagine that it came preloaded with LOTS of apps - and multiple apps for many common tasks, so the user could pick the one they liked best. For videos and when I just wanted to listen to one or a couple of audio files, I'd just "double-click to play" within the file manager and whatever the default (mplayer? totem? Other than VLC, they all kind of look alike to me) player was, it'd play the file. For the task of playing multiple audio files, dealing with the digital version of my music collection, playlists, populating my portable .mp3 player... since I was still occasionally booting into a Microsoft OS at the time, I happily used Media Monkey for that stuff.

As VLC was one of the included apps, I tried it. IIRC, I tried to hit the right-arrow key to skip forward through the video, it didn't work, so I quit and used the default player. And thought no more of using VLC.

Until one day I found myself wanting to convert a file into a different format. Actually, I was trying to "convert" the audio track from a video into an .mp3 so that I could throw it onto my .mp3 player and listen to it at work. A friend said, "You don't need a conversion app, just do it in VLC." It turned out that VLC could convert files in addition to playing them. It also turned out that there were two levels of skip forward/backward through media files (both user-adjustable, of course) - I just hadn't bothered to look to see what keys to press to activate them. And if you've ever been annoyed by a video that has an improperly-synchronized audio track (you know, that makes the viewing experience something akin to watching a badly-dubbed low-budget martial arts film, lol?), that's simple to fix with VLC. Same thing goes if you're using subtitles and they aren't synchronised. And the list of features just goes on (and on).

Perhaps that's why the gross size of VLC is larger than some other comparable apps... the fact that they're not really comparable at all, that VLC is quite full-featured? Or maybe it's because VLC is able to play almost any type of audio/video file "OotB" without requiring the user to have the codecs installed on the system?

Having used the app now for a while, I find that I use it by choice and if it's not preinstalled in a distro, installing it is one of the first things I do. Should VLC, IMHO, be the default app of its type? I think it should come preinstalled. If there's only to be one such app, then yes, it should be default by, err... default :lol: . It's quite powerful and it's as easy to use as the rest of them. One just has to glance through the menus and take a look at the help files (which, unfortunately, are webpages which require an Internet connection, but nothing is perfect).

(As to the best app for playing - and managing - the user's audio file collection? Well, one can still hope that someone will someday choose to port Media Monkey over to linux. It really is the best app of its type that I have ever used on either OS platform (IMHO, of course).)

Speaking of media players, I think Minitube would be a good app to have preinstalled on a distro (if it isn't already; I cannot remember). It does what it does - at least in the more recent versions - well. And since it does so without requiring the use of a web browser, it probably fits anyone's definition of being anti-bloat. I'd suggest the Hulu Desktop app for the same reasons (performs its task in such a way that the user-experience is better than the "usual" method of visiting the web page, and does so without the "bloat" of a web browser), except that Hulu officially stopped supporting that app and IDK how much longer it'll function. It still works great at this point, however, so maybe...

I've gotten off-topic, but I'll extend that by suggesting another app for preinstallation in the distro: Aisleriot. Unless I'm mistaken, Mint came without any games preinstalled. My version - Mint 14 Xfce 32-bit - didn't even come with the Games category displayed in the desktop menu, IIRC. I'd guess that more people (that are likely to see a computer in person, at least) than not have played some version of Solitaire. And with 80+ versions in it, the odds are good that the user will recognize one of them. Mint is a good all-around OS and to help show that, having at least one game app would appear to be warranted. Although not everyone enjoys the game in one of its forms, not everyone enjoys playing FPS, either, and a solitaire app does not depend on a powerful graphics card or even a properly-configured one, AfaIK. A distraction, a thing to do to break from "work" without having to leave the chair, because the user is bored... or even for one of the same reasons that Microsoft originally chose to include a Solitaire app, because not everyone who is using Mint for the first time has used a personal computer before solitaire is a good way to become used to using a mouse. The only possible downside I can think of is that Aisleriot does have some dependencies. And some of them might be "GNOME-specific" (or at least GTK-specific), which might add things that KDE-only users who do not intend to install any GTK/GNOME apps in the future would not otherwise be likely to have installed. IDK if there is a version that is geared more toward the KDE/Qt crowd - or a generic one - or not.

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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby twipley on Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:16 pm

Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Indeed, it could.

EDIT: I've just stepped on some reply from Mr. Lefebvre: "As for Totem, the latest version worked ok and we found it better than the alternatives in Mint 15 (bear in mind that the choice of media player is also impacted by the quality of its web plugin, which in the case of VLC simply isn’t good enough)."

EDIT 2: Although I believe the VLC web plugins have been updated in the latest version, so they might work better as of now. Still wondering which downsides Clem were referring to, though!
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby js3915 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:45 pm

I like VLC its small but really powerful. Plus makes nice for streaming videos but thats just me
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby Slash_Earth on Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:14 pm

I agree that VLC should be the default video player.
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby Adelante on Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:57 pm

Agree on VLC. I use it all the time.
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby Otyugh on Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:34 pm

I don't agree. Smplayer is twice more light and cool than VLC. :D
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby MishaSherpa on Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:18 pm

+1 VLC

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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby salbahis on Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:55 pm

just droppin by..

here's my take on the issue, i love vlc i would love it to be the defacto player for any OS... but that just me... however the reason (i think) why some other distro opt-to use totem/or other than vlc is simply dependency.... afaik vlc relies on ffmpeg as opposed to totem which uses gstreamer, gnome had been using gstreamer since gnome 2 so its no surprise why totem is a candidate... i think its just common sense to use what the system already uses other than introducing something just for that single purpose... and also integration... VLC is an outcast since it uses QT... theming requires extra effort... if only VLC uses GTK then its no doubt that it will be a strong contender....

you can make any player as default but as preinstalled default... i dont think vlc is wise idea.... and also from my place where internet is very slow... i think a player that is integrated with the system is a good idea.... but that just me....

i also heard that vlc may have some licensing issue... since it uses non-free codec... cant confirm it though just over-read it on another fauna....
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Re: Could VLC replace Totem as the default video player?

Postby anandrkris on Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:47 am

VLC does not support my media buttons on keyboard whereas Totem supports by default w/o any configuration.

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