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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby clfarron4 on Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:14 am

As many of us has said both here and on the equivalent thread on the Github, we just want stuff to work on our hardware, which is nice and intuitive. Not many of us have the powerful rigs that can do all the bells and whistles that KDE has, and from what I've seen half the errors from KDE come from all the extra bells and whistles.

If you really want it, why not learn to write an extension for Cinnamon? As I said over on the Github, someone has already done an extension for Wobbly Windows, so the others bits can probably be done as extensions.
Problems? Tell us EXACTLY what you've done and what you expected to happen, IN DETAIL. That will save us questions, and we should get along better,

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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby Zorba on Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:17 am

clfarron4 wrote:As many of us has said both here and on the equivalent thread on the Github, we just want stuff to work on our hardware, which is nice and intuitive. Not many of us have the powerful rigs that can do all the bells and whistles that KDE has, and from what I've seen half the errors from KDE come from all the extra bells and whistles.

If you really want it, why not learn to write an extension for Cinnamon? As I said over on the Github, someone has already done an extension for Wobbly Windows, so the others bits can probably be done as extensions.



You are right my friend KDE isvery unstable because of these effects but if we can write extensions for these effects it would be great :D
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby js3915 on Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:09 pm

I like the idea of the integrated disk usage / utility.

Other ideas arent bad either any idea should have some setting to turn on or off then people that want more minimal can turn/keep off those that want bit more eye candy can turn on. :)
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby Zorba on Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:21 pm

js3915 wrote:I like the idea of the integrated disk usage / utility.

Other ideas arent bad either any idea should have some setting to turn on or off then people that want more minimal can turn/keep off those that want bit more eye candy can turn on. :)


That's what I was trying to tell them but they don't want to understand me :D :D
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby MartyMint on Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:53 pm

Brahim wrote:
That's what I was trying to tell them but they don't want to understand me :D :D



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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby clfarron4 on Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:02 pm

Brahim wrote:That's what I was trying to tell them but they don't want to understand me :D :D


No, we understand what you are proposing, but some of us don't think the ideas are suitable for inclusion by default (even disabled) in Cinnamon.

There is also the "if you want it, you have to show it works yourself by doing" attitude that some people have when it comes to developing new features (just a hint that you might actually have to do this yourself if you want it). It just so happens that the ones included in Cinnamon were desired by the developers of Cinnamon and they actually work.

You also have to remember that everyone's idea of an ideal desktop is different.
Problems? Tell us EXACTLY what you've done and what you expected to happen, IN DETAIL. That will save us questions, and we should get along better,

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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby InkKnife on Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:26 pm

Nemo already displays disk usage as thin bars under the icons for mounted volumes in the sidebar.
I would like to be able to have a preview pane on the right side of a Nemo window that could show a larger than an icon preview of an image file like you can in the OSX Finder.
The batch rename built into Thunar is awesome, Nemo should adopt that, IMHO.
I wish that there was a detailed Cinnamon SDK so it was less impossible for the novice to try customizing Cinnamon themes. Even just a well commented example theme would be helpful.
Brahim: The reason why you are getting so much negative feedback about the eye candy is that lots of flash and zing goes against the fundamental design philosophy of the Mint distro.
"From Freedom came elegance", that is the motto here. Elegance is not flashy or showy. Elegance is refined, tasteful and always understated.
If someone wants to add all kinds of flash to their Mint install they are certainly welcome, as with any other distro, there are many ways to add them. There are already eager, enthusiastic coders making all the eye candy anyone could wish for. That job is being taken care of elsewhere.
Mint's mission is to refine the Linux experience. To make powerful yet easy to use GUI tools that empower the less technical user. This is work that will benefit the entire Linux community and it is work that needs to be done if Linux is going to grow into a mainstream platform on the desktop.
I say stay focused on the elegance and refinement and leave the toys to someone else. The Mint team are doing serious work.
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby samriggs on Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:07 am

Brahim wrote:I was talking about you guys in specific but I was rather talking in general :D I have read and learnt a lot from your posts but you have to uderstand as well that Cinnamon is not made for developers only :D All this "bloat" that I'm suggesting is very useful for the silent majority who don't even have an account on this forum + this "bloat" can be an extension that can be installed/ uninstalled and enabled/disabled to fit everyone's needs and mood. When you speak about resource eating desktop you forgot that new computers have 8 GB of RAM and more and that you would come any close to use them all no matter what :D Our friend here has understood the trick he just went and disabled the sound effects; Me and my friends have enebled them all to get that " gingle bells" effect. We want to have a circus runnig on our screens and I guess we have every right to that :D

Oh Brahim :lol:
Not saying that Cinnamon (or better yet Mint) is not just made for developers, that's what your missing here.
A lot if not most do not have computers with 8 gigs of ram, more like 2 to 4 gigs instead.
We keep saying productivity, that means any type, not just developing, that also goes for any business (nope they don't want all the bells and whistles, most businesses have basic systems and have what they need only on it.
The other side is normal user base, I'll give you an example, I have linux installed on three systems for normal users and another one on another persons computer, all four are what you might call normal users, they know nothing about programming or developing at all, just use the system for everyday use like anyone else, I put kde on one and it just confused the heck out one because there was too many bells and whistles and it just confused them, I put cinnamon on instead and all was well with the world again, it was familiar, and easy to use with no complications whatsoever.
That's why Mint is so good, it fits the normal user base (nothing too complicated, it just works, for businesses because of the same reason, it just works and has what they need or a very good base to start from without any complications of turning extra bells and whistles off and on, and for developers/artist for all the reasons mention over and over again, it gets out of the way and lets us do our work, that is the beauty of mint, it just works, very well rounded for a whole wack of folks at the same time.

Me and my friends have enebled them all to get that " gingle bells" effect. We want to have a circus runnig on our screens and I guess we have every right to that :D


Your right you do have the right for this, that is what other systems with all the bells and whistles are created for, like KDE and that's the beauty of linux, it gives us all choices to have what we want on our systems because there is so many different versions to choose from, mint chooses the middle of the road, not to complicated, not overly bloated down with bells and whistles, yet has enough to allow users to make it there own without going over board and keeping it elegant.
Just like xfce is more basic for those who want that, and lxde for those who want even less bloat, and then kde for those who want more bells and whistles etc......
If cinnamon had all the bells and whistles kde had, I know I would have to reinstall not only my system but all the ones I put on the other systems as well for the normal users I installed it on because it would be too confusing for them and to much bloat for me, on one system I even had to put all the main links as shortcuts on a desktop so that person didn't have to go anywhere but their desktop (my mother in her 70's), it just made it a lot easier for her.
My wife only needs to see a folder name and knows quite a bit but doesn't want to be bothered with more, my sister only needs a basic system anything more she destroys it by fooling around with the settings to much and I wind up doing another reinstall or fixing the mess she created (yup can't keep her hand out of the cookie jar), middle of the road just seems to work.
But to get more bells and whistles you can still do this as stated earlier and learn programming (simple json and javascript) to create some extensions, applets or desklets, that way they don't get in the way and can be added if a person wants them, as time goes by more will be added as folks get ideas to make one and bored enough and has enough time to create it :lol:
You have a lot of ideas and you should really learn how to make some, I'm sure a lot of folks would appreciate them being made as an extension, applet etc...
That would probably be the best route to go since they are not added by default but can be added by anyone wanting them, thus taking away the bloat, but learn how to make them yourself, it really doesn't take much once you get into it, you learnt how to make your themes in short time, it wouldn't take much longer for these things.
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby Zorba on Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:35 am

added the following to the above points :D

13- Cinnamon panel intellihide option: To allow more space for work when we launch an app.

14- Classic Mintmenu with more themes and styles: looks like someone has already started the project here http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/applets/view/163

15- More hot corners + more hot corners options:

a- open app. preview with mouse scroll option Image

b- Hot corner Overview + hot corner Mintmenu Image

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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby Zorba on Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:44 am

by samriggs on Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:07 pm

it would be too confusing for them and to much bloat for me, on one system I even had to put all the main links as shortcuts on a desktop so that person didn't have to go anywhere but their desktop (my mother in her 70's), it just made it a lot easier for her.
My wife only needs to see a folder name and knows quite a bit but doesn't want to be bothered with more, my sister only needs a basic system anything more she destroys it by fooling around with the settings to much and I wind up doing another reinstall or fixing the mess she created (yup can't keep her hand out of the cookie jar), middle of the road just seems to work.
But to get more bells and whistles you can still do this as stated earlier and learn programming (simple json and javascript) to create some extensions, applets or desklets, that way they don't get in the way and can be added if a person wants them, as time goes by more will be added as folks get ideas to make one and bored enough and has enough time to create it


Your absolutely right about this Sam more settings could be confusing and I have to agree with you that these should be added as extensions :D :D


you learnt how to make your themes in short time, it wouldn't take much longer for these things.
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Expect somenew extensions that will revolutionize Cinnamon and by the way I have never attended any IT class in my life :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby samriggs on Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:25 am

ahh ya don't need IT class to do extensions, I only had three night courses for computers years ago, one to learn mac when I first had to switch making artwork by hand to computers, then C++ and Visual Basics which we just learnt from a book in class which I had to buy and I could of saved myself some money and just bought the book and taught myself instead.
There's enough tutorials online and enough places to help you out online like code project or stockoverflow.
Have fun learning :D
Read about friendly useability also it is extremely important.
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby Zorba on Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:41 am

Sam can you helpme with this: I want to add a welcome screen to Cinnamon like on Windows 7. Cinnamon takes long time to load after I log in and sometimes I start to worry. Adding a welcome screen that loads after MDM would be nice and assuring to new users like the one below:D What do you think Sam :D I posted a new thread on the topic here http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=151315

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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby samriggs on Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:42 pm

Don't really have time to do that and not sure how to go about it myself, the only thing I can think of would be on the login button load that image somehow along with logging in but their would have to be a delay for logging in so that image could load, but in all honesty, that would only create a longer wait for it load anyhow which sort of defeats the purpose
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby joncr on Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:14 pm

I want the ability to restore a window minimized to an icon in the panel to its original workspace by clicking on that icon, rather than restoring to the current workspace. MATE offers this, but not Cinnamon.

I'm indifferent about effects as long as I can turn them off.
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby Zorba on Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:14 am

I add to the above points a chameleon plymouth bootsplash theme:




1- At startup switches background colours according to defined time intervals:


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2- At shutdown it loads only one background colour as follows:


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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby dee. on Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:26 am

Eww, no buttugly solid-colour lego block themes on Mint, please. It already looks horrible enough on win8, we don't need to jump on that bandwagon...
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby Zorba on Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:23 am

dee. wrote:Eww, no buttugly solid-colour lego block themes on Mint, please. It already looks horrible enough on win8, we don't need to jump on that bandwagon...



10- More Cinnamon effects like desktop cube and transparent window

Implemented here http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/extensions/view/25

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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby dogsolitude_uk on Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:46 pm

Brahim wrote:
dee. wrote:Eww, no buttugly solid-colour lego block themes on Mint, please. It already looks horrible enough on win8, we don't need to jump on that bandwagon...



10- More Cinnamon effects like desktop cube and transparent window

Implemented here http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/extensions/view/25

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You'll notice that two other Eye-candy effects are available as optional Cinnamon Extensions, coded by third parties:

A 3D task switcher:
http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/extensions/view/3

Wobbly windows:
http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/extensions/view/24

Like I said ages ago, one of the benefits of Linux desktops is that one can download and add optional extensions to include this stuff without having to bundle it in to the Distro as standard, so there's no need for bloat on the original installation, and those that like whizzy effects can still please themselves by downloading them.

Even in Gnome 2 it was provided by an application called 'Compiz Fusion', not by Gnome or Mint, and was not coded by the Gnome team or by the Mint team. It was a third-party add-on.
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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby Zorba on Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:57 pm

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Re: The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17

Postby Zorba on Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:20 pm

did they start developing Mint 17 or not yet ?
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