Brahim wrote:I was talking about you guys in specific but I was rather talking in general
I have read and learnt a lot from your posts but you have to uderstand as well that Cinnamon is not made for developers only
All this "bloat" that I'm suggesting is very useful for the silent majority who don't even have an account on this forum + this "bloat" can be an extension that can be installed/ uninstalled and enabled/disabled to fit everyone's needs and mood. When you speak about resource eating desktop you forgot that new computers have 8 GB of RAM and more and that you would come any close to use them all no matter what
Our friend here has understood the trick he just went and disabled the sound effects; Me and my friends have enebled them all to get that " gingle bells" effect. We want to have a circus runnig on our screens and I guess we have every right to that
Oh Brahim
Not saying that Cinnamon (or better yet Mint) is not just made for developers, that's what your missing here.
A lot if not most do not have computers with 8 gigs of ram, more like 2 to 4 gigs instead.
We keep saying productivity, that means any type, not just developing, that also goes for any business (nope they don't want all the bells and whistles, most businesses have basic systems and have what they need only on it.
The other side is normal user base, I'll give you an example, I have linux installed on three systems for normal users and another one on another persons computer, all four are what you might call normal users, they know nothing about programming or developing at all, just use the system for everyday use like anyone else, I put kde on one and it just confused the heck out one because there was too many bells and whistles and it just confused them, I put cinnamon on instead and all was well with the world again, it was familiar, and easy to use with no complications whatsoever.
That's why Mint is so good, it fits the normal user base (nothing too complicated, it just works, for businesses because of the same reason, it just works and has what they need or a very good base to start from without any complications of turning extra bells and whistles off and on, and for developers/artist for all the reasons mention over and over again, it gets out of the way and lets us do our work, that is the beauty of mint, it just works, very well rounded for a whole wack of folks at the same time.
Me and my friends have enebled them all to get that " gingle bells" effect. We want to have a circus runnig on our screens and I guess we have every right to that
Your right you do have the right for this, that is what other systems with all the bells and whistles are created for, like KDE and that's the beauty of linux, it gives us all choices to have what we want on our systems because there is so many different versions to choose from, mint chooses the middle of the road, not to complicated, not overly bloated down with bells and whistles, yet has enough to allow users to make it there own without going over board and keeping it elegant.
Just like xfce is more basic for those who want that, and lxde for those who want even less bloat, and then kde for those who want more bells and whistles etc......
If cinnamon had all the bells and whistles kde had, I know I would have to reinstall not only my system but all the ones I put on the other systems as well for the normal users I installed it on because it would be too confusing for them and to much bloat for me, on one system I even had to put all the main links as shortcuts on a desktop so that person didn't have to go anywhere but their desktop (my mother in her 70's), it just made it a lot easier for her.
My wife only needs to see a folder name and knows quite a bit but doesn't want to be bothered with more, my sister only needs a basic system anything more she destroys it by fooling around with the settings to much and I wind up doing another reinstall or fixing the mess she created (yup can't keep her hand out of the cookie jar), middle of the road just seems to work.
But to get more bells and whistles you can still do this as stated earlier and learn programming (simple json and javascript) to create some extensions, applets or desklets, that way they don't get in the way and can be added if a person wants them, as time goes by more will be added as folks get ideas to make one and bored enough and has enough time to create it
You have a lot of ideas and you should really learn how to make some, I'm sure a lot of folks would appreciate them being made as an extension, applet etc...
That would probably be the best route to go since they are not added by default but can be added by anyone wanting them, thus taking away the bloat, but learn how to make them yourself, it really doesn't take much once you get into it, you learnt how to make your themes in short time, it wouldn't take much longer for these things.
Sam