[RETRACTED] Revive MGSE desktop

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[RETRACTED] Revive MGSE desktop

Postby Zorba on Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:17 pm

I think MGSE was a great desktop, better than Unity and the default gnome-shell desktop, and LInux Mint should not give it up! I think we should have a Linux Mint MGCE besides Cinnamon and Mate :D

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Re: Revive MGSE desktop

Postby xenopeek on Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:40 pm

You honestly think that holds a candle to Cinnamon? :shock: Anyway, the Linux Mint team isn't going to revive MGSE and you very well know it. MGSE + Gnome Shell didn't allow the Linux Mint team to implement their vision of the desktop. MGSE + Gnome Shell was superseded by Cinnamon almost exactly 2 years ago for that reason. I'll throw some quotes from Clem below on this topic.

Both MATE and Gnome Shell are promising projects but MATE’s ultimate goal is to replicate Gnome 2 using GTK+ and Gnome Shell doesn’t provide what we need in a desktop and is going in a direction we do not want to follow. So for these reasons we’re designing a new desktop called Cinnamon, which leverages new technology and implements our vision. (source)

Following the feedback we gathered on Gnome Shell after the release of Linux Mint 12, it was clear that despite our efforts with MATE and MGSE, we still didn’t manage to reach our goals and to offer Gnome 2 a valid alternative. Some people were enthusiastic about the new alternatives, others were disappointed. For this reason and in an effort to please a wider portion of our user base, we decided to continue to support MATE and to develop a new desktop called Cinnamon. MATE 1.2 should be out soon. Cinnamon 1.2 is already out and available to Linux Mint 12 users via the repositories. (source)
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Re: Revive MGSE desktop

Postby Zorba on Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:47 pm

Why do they have dogmas about desktops! Is xfce a "replicate Gnome 2" or is KDE!! I think they have reached their goal! Cinnamon is rock solid now and has more features than any other DE (maybe not kde). It won't be resource heavy if they add another DE for the broader user base :D Gnome 3 has more users than xfce and it's more like a mainstream DE. Other distros are doing really bad with gnome 3 when it comes to user friendliness and this is where Mint should take the lead!
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Re: Revive MGSE desktop

Postby xenopeek on Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:06 am

Why? The Cinnamon developers will have no interest in developing something like MGSE for Gnome Shell; they already have something better matching to their vision of what the desktop should be--and continue to evolve and improve that vision on Cinnamon. The Linux Mint developers are a smaller team and they aren't going to divert development capacity to pursue something that doesn't let them implement their vision of what the desktop should be either.

More and more distros are shipping Cinnamon, so those users for whom Gnome Shell doesn't work can shift to Cinnamon easily. If you look back at what MGSE actually did for Gnome Shell, I think you can today hodgepodge together something similar with the available extensions. MGSE wasn't a match for the Linux Mint developers' vision of what the desktop should be 2 years back (though it was an evolutionary step towards that vision; i.e., Cinnamon) and it wouldn't be today.

Nobody else is going to do this, so it's up to you if you want it 8)
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Re: Revive MGSE desktop

Postby Zorba on Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:44 am

xenopeek wrote:Why? The Cinnamon developers will have no interest in developing something like MGSE for Gnome Shell; they already have something better matching to their vision of what the desktop should be--and continue to evolve and improve that vision on Cinnamon. The Linux Mint developers are a smaller team and they aren't going to divert development capacity to pursue something that doesn't let them implement their vision of what the desktop should be either.

More and more distros are shipping Cinnamon, so those users for whom Gnome Shell doesn't work can shift to Cinnamon easily. If you look back at what MGSE actually did for Gnome Shell, I think you can today hodgepodge together something similar with the available extensions. MGSE wasn't a match for the Linux Mint developers' vision of what the desktop should be 2 years back (though it was an evolutionary step towards that vision; i.e., Cinnamon) and it wouldn't be today.

Nobody else is going to do this, so it's up to you if you want it 8)



I agree with you! You can clone MGCE with extensions and Ialready told the guy who made the "configurable menu" here http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/applets/view/163 to make us one on github here https://github.com/lestcape/Configurable-Menu/issues
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Re: Revive MGSE desktop

Postby Zorba on Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:23 am

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Re: Revive MGSE desktop

Postby xenopeek on Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:06 pm

So it was just about the menu? You don't want to revive MGSE any longer?
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Re: Revive MGSE desktop

Postby Zorba on Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:14 pm

xenopeek wrote:So it was just about the menu? You don't want to revive MGSE any longer?


No i don't :lol: :lol:
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