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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby ClutchDisc on Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:38 pm

pcpunk wrote:
ClutchDisc wrote:Cinnamon is too much for the specs of your computer. Try Mate, that will probably solve your problem.

Really, that sucks lol. it took almost an hour to download that thing. It did work on the CD though. Okay I will try that, but, do you think that I should go to OpenSuse, that is what is recommended for beginners with slow computers. I am quite surprised though, I thought this was a light system. What is the issue the RAM?

RAM, CPU, etc. Mate should run fine on your specs, or as Derek_S said if you want to wait for Mint 17 Xfce that might be even better. I've never used OpenSuse before so I can't comment there. I would give Mate a try though. Another good very light weight Linux OS is Puppy Linux.. although that is harder to install for Linux newbies.
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:46 pm

Derek_S wrote:Hello pcpunk - I have used openSUSE. It is really aimed at people involved with software development, but does make a good everyday operating system. If you have never used Linux before, you might find it difficult to install and configure. Who recommended it to you?

That is good to know. I took this little quiz that made the descision for ya. You can find it here: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ ... ht-for-me/
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby Derek_S on Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:05 pm

Hello pcpunk - I understand your concern with using Windows XP now that it is no longer supported. I don't think the wheels are going to fall off right away, but it is a good idea to think ahead. I just switched laptops and popped in my openSUSE 13.1 installation DVD (The full DVD version, 4.7GB). Besides having the GNOME and KDE desktops to choose from, you also can choose to install the XFCE and LXDE desktops as well. Here is a copy and paste from askubuntu.com explaining the differences between all these desktops:

•GNOME and KDE are alternative desktop environments to Ubuntu's default Unity interface, which have similar system requirements to Unity.
•XFCE is a lightweight 2D desktop environment designed for better performance on older hardware.
•LXDE is a minimalistic desktop environment, somewhat like Windows XP in look and feel. It is designed to run on legacy hardware which requires a desktop environment that has minimal system requirements.

LOL :lol: - I just took the same quiz an got the same answer - openSUSE.

I think before you get too far along here, I should mention something. You mentioned previously that you wanted to try a dual boot system. Before trying to install any other operating system, do you have a way of re-installing or recovering Windows XP if something goes wrong? Do you have the installation disk and the activation key, or did Windows XP come pre-installed on your machine? If you don't have a way to install or recover XP, I suggest creating an image of your XP installation and can recommend using Macrium Reflect to do this. A good download link is here: http://filehippo.com/download_macrium_reflect

The instructions for creating a backup image are here: http://kb.macrium.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50074.aspx

The instructions for creating the boot device used to restore the image: http://kb.macrium.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50165.aspx

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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:29 am

Derek_S wrote:Hello pcpunk - I understand your concern with using Windows XP now that it is no longer supported. I don't think the wheels are going to fall off right away, but it is a good idea to think ahead. I just switched laptops and popped in my openSUSE 13.1 installation DVD (The full DVD version, 4.7GB). Besides having the GNOME and KDE desktops to choose from, you also can choose to install the XFCE and LXDE desktops as well. Here is a copy and paste from askubuntu.com explaining the differences between all these desktops:

Derek_s, I already had an issue so that is why I am so concerned. I attribute it to being about five days after the new Updates came out to give the hackers and opening. Perhaps I am wrong....and hope I am but yes it will be good to get with it as soon as possible.
So these desktops are a choice in OpenSuse?
Also I was told this program is for more advance users and to large for my pc maybe? I have 1gig of RAM.


•GNOME and KDE are alternative desktop environments to Ubuntu's default Unity interface, which have similar system requirements to Unity.
•XFCE is a lightweight 2D desktop environment designed for better performance on older hardware.
•LXDE is a minimalistic desktop environment, somewhat like Windows XP in look and feel. It is designed to run on legacy hardware which requires a desktop environment that has minimal system requirements.

LOL :lol: - I just took the same quiz an got the same answer - openSUSE.

I think before you get too far along here, I should mention something. You mentioned previously that you wanted to try a dual boot system. Before trying to install any other operating system, do you have a way of re-installing or recovering Windows XP if something goes wrong? Do you have the installation disk and the activation key, or did Windows XP come pre-installed on your machine? If you don't have a way to install or recover XP, I suggest creating an image of your XP installation and can recommend using Macrium Reflect to do this. A good download link is here: http://filehippo.com/download_macrium_reflect
I don't have a disc but I did back up my junk with Macrium Reflect.
I was also advised as you see, to use LinuxMint Mate, how would this differ from OSuse for my situation?


The instructions for creating a backup image are here: http://kb.macrium.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50074.aspx

The instructions for creating the boot device used to restore the image: http://kb.macrium.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50165.aspx

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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:14 pm

O KNOW! I put "Mate" to a usb and the same thing happened with it as did "Cinnamon" I even read that Mate would work with the RAM I have. I was so happy to start it up...and got on to the internet. It was fast but then it Hung just like Cinnamon did. Had to force shutdown, so sad. Please help! lol I would love to have this on a usb drive.

Also guys and gals, where do I find system requirements for all these distros, example, this is what I found on Mate but could not get back to the same pathway to look up Cinamon and others.
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby ClutchDisc on Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:44 pm

I would give Puppy Linux a try, just make a live USB and see how it works. That runs on "everything", and if you want to install, we can help you through it.

http://puppylinux.org/main/Long-Term-Supported%20Puppy.htm
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:48 pm

ClutchDisc wrote:I would give Puppy Linux a try, just make a live USB and see how it works. That runs on "everything", and if you want to install, we can help you through it.

http://puppylinux.org/main/Long-Term-Supported%20Puppy.htm

Thanks ClutchDisc, do you have your mate on your 1gig system?
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby ClutchDisc on Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:53 pm

pcpunk wrote:
ClutchDisc wrote:I would give Puppy Linux a try, just make a live USB and see how it works. That runs on "everything", and if you want to install, we can help you through it.

http://puppylinux.org/main/Long-Term-Supported%20Puppy.htm

Thanks ClutchDisc, do you have your mate on your 1gig system?

Yes, I am running Mate on my 1 GB desktop. It's not the fastest computer in the world, but not bad. I think the difference is that I have a 2.80 GHz CPU.
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:32 am

This is all so frustrating, it sucks! I appear to have the system requirements but the LiveUSB wont work and can't get any answers? I don't get it, there is no one place to read up on it all? I do searches and can't find squat!

1. Where can I find out how many GHz I need?

2. Where do I get info on these systems to decide if I am downloading the right one?
Good thing it is free cause you have to be a technician to figure it all out.
Can anyone tell me what this usb stick formatter is, maybe I can use it to make a LiveUSB Bootable?
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:22 pm

Okay I got PrecisePuppy on usb and set it up and got my internet connection setup but no internet? what a freakin headache! Nothing makes any sense. I will never understand why someone would design something so convoluted for a beginner.

Also would anyone know if it would help if I put Cinnamon or Mate to HDD? I think as some have stated maybe my CPU or something is just to small, it says 1.66GHz.

Can two distro's be loaded onto one usb, because I might have to try another Puppy distro, like the newest or oldest one.
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby Derek_S on Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:04 pm

Hello pcpunk - A long time ago, I ran Puppy live from a USB stick and remember having the same problem you are having, setting up a network connection is difficult, but not impossible. I went around and around with it until I finally got it working, I just wish I could remember how. :(

Your CPU is not too small or too slow, my brother's HP Mini laptop has a 1.66 GHz Intel Atom processor and it runs Linux Mint 17 just fine. It's not really fast starting up or loading certain applications, but it doesn't crash. The big difference between his system and yours is memory, his has 2GB and yours has 1GB. This becomes even more of a problem for you when you try to run a "live" Linux session from a CD or USB stick. When you boot a live session, the Linux kernel, the desktop, and other system processes are loaded directly into system memory. Then when you open other applications, like Firefox, even more memory is used to load that. And while Firefox is running, it is caching files to system memory as well. Eventually, your 1GB of memory gets used up and you crash the system. If you had Mint installed on your hard drive, it would make a difference, especially where the browser's cache files are concerned, because they would be cached to your hard drive instead of system memory.

Which brings me to something I was thinking about Tuesday night after posting here. There are two things you could do when running a live session that would really help your system as far as memory usage. The first is, right after you open Firefox, go up to "Edit" and select "Preferences". Then click "Advanced" on the new menu that appears. Then select "Network", check the box for "Override automatic cache management", and set the cache size limit to zero. This will prevent the browser cache files from being written to system memory and hopefully save you from more crashes when running Firefox.

The second thing I thought of is this, you should create a Linux swap partition on your hard drive. When you boot into a live session, the swap partition will be detected and mounted during boot. This would enable the system to swap files from memory to disk while running a live session. Since you are running Windows XP, you are not able to use Windows Disk Management to shrink your C: partition and do this. One utility that can do this for you is MiniTool Partition Wizard. You can download it here: http://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html

Be aware of one thing: this utility, if used carelessly, will wreck your existing Windows system. You could end up using your backup image from Macrium Reflect if you are not careful. Please read the instructions on the website before using this software.
First, you want to shrink Windows C: partition by 1GB(1024MB), please read these instructions: http://www.partitionwizard.com/help/res ... ition.html
Note: You want to create unallocated space at the end of C: partition (the right side), not the beginning! (the left side!)
Second: You want to create a new partition in this 1GB of unallocated space and format it as Linux swap, please read here: http://www.partitionwizard.com/help/cre ... ition.html

If you are having problems creating bootable USB sticks with your Linux .iso files, try these two utilities for Windows:

http://www.linuxliveusb.com/

http://rufus.akeo.ie/

And to install more than one .iso to a USB stick, try Yumi: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multi ... b-creator/
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:16 pm

Okay guys, I finally got one to work on my small system, LucidPuppy528. When I had to choose a FireFox version I did not know what the heck to choose there was no 528? another idiotic problem? I am now on a usb like I wanted but have not a clue if I can save any of my settings and where they will have to be stored. I still don't know weather I am at the limit of usage with my RAM. It seems as some have advised, it might be better to go to HDD because of RAM limit, unfortunately that is not what I wanted to do. I will go to crucial.com and run the tool and price some RAM. Thanks for all the help guys, I'm sure I will be back to express my inevitable pain even though I am happy at the moment LOL.
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby ClutchDisc on Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:22 pm

You can install puppy to a free usb if you want (not the same as making a bootable usb, this would be like installing it to a HDD), or to the actual HDD.

As for RAM, I looked your computer up on amazon and you could get 2 GB for about $30 shipped.
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:12 pm

Oooo, thanks ClutchDisc, that might be doable. I was just getting ready to look it up on crucial.com and call my local Tigerdirect. If you are back here would you post the specs? I haven't a clue what this test is going to show me so it might help.
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby ClutchDisc on Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:20 pm

Going off of the model of the computer in your signature, this is what I get: amazon link

Here are some more: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=nx7400%20RAM

That looks like the correct RAM for your computer, BUT DON"T QUOTE ME ON IT. I don't know your computer more than a number I entered into amazon. I would verify that it is indeed the correct RAM for your computer first. Make sure you see that it is the same pin count etc. first. It should be the right RAM though.
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:39 pm

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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby ClutchDisc on Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:45 pm

You are welcome, let us know if you have more questions! :D
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:12 pm

I tried really hard to find the info that one of you told me about all the "services running" on my machine and one other thing. Can someone point me in that direction. In future I will have to copy paste stuff like that. I though sure I could find it.
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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby ron_h on Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:03 am

I don't know your machine. And I am pretty much a newbie myself (2 months now). However, I am running Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) Cinnamon 201403 64bit on an Acer netbook with Atom N570 CPU dual core 1.66GHz, and 1GB memory. I have a 5GB /swap partition. It is no speed demon but it runs fine, with Firefox with 3 tabs open, Libre Office Writer and a simple 1 page doument, Okular document viewer with smallish PDF file, all open at the same time, although it is sometimes slow when I change the active window to one of the others. It boots LMDE on Live USB stick just fine, in fact that's what I used to install LMDE.

Its original OS is Win 7 Starter, and it runs that rather slowly - LMDE is noticeably faster.

I would suggest that if you haven't set up a Linus /swap partition, that is probably the reason for your problems.

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Re: How do I know if I can Boot from USB

Postby pcpunk on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:42 am

ron_h wrote: It boots LMDE on Live USB stick just fine, in fact that's what I used to install LMDE.

Its original OS is Win 7 Starter, and it runs that rather slowly - LMDE is noticeably faster.

I would suggest that if you haven't set up a Linus /swap partition, that is probably the reason for your problems.

Ron

Ooo, thanks Ron, I love this techie community people are so willing to help one another. I am double checking what you said here. Linux/swap partition: Is this important even when booting from just a usb?
And if you would....remind me of what LMDE IS? Linux Mint Debian, and the E means what? I forget. All these new terms are difficult lol.
This is great info Ron with are similar specs thanks so much.
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