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Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby LMZippy on Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:45 am

Hi,

Am trying linux mint after months of nagging from a friend and I like it enough to dual boot with XP and have a play.

Installation went impressively well and mint works fine, but I can't boot into XP though which is an issue until the rest of the clan are converted..! XP appears in the grub list but when selected simply get the word 'starting..' and nothing else.

Have had a trawl of the forums but lack of knowledge means I'm struggling to get anywhere.....

Have got my head around the menu.lst file which I think generates the grub options, however I can't see any obvious solution here but is listed below.....

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# menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
# grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
# grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
# and /usr/share/doc/grub-legacy-doc/.

## default num
# Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and
# the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used.
#
# You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
# is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
# WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not change this entry to 'saved' or your
# array will desync and will not let you boot your system.
default 0

## Graphical boot menu location
gfxmenu=/boot/gfxmenu/default.message

## timeout sec
# Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry
# (normally the first entry defined).
timeout 10

# Pretty colours
color cyan/blue white/blue

## password ['--md5'] passwd
# If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing
# control (menu entry editor and command-line) and entries protected by the
# command 'lock'
# e.g. password topsecret
# password --md5 $1$gLhU0/$aW78kHK1QfV3P2b2znUoe/
# password topsecret

#
# examples
#
# title Windows 95/98/NT/2000
# root (hd0,0)
# makeactive
# chainloader +1
#
# title Linux
# root (hd0,1)
# kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
#

#
# Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST

### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below

## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs

## ## Start Default Options ##
## default kernel options
## default kernel options for automagic boot options
## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z
## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.
## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro
# kopt=root=/dev/sda5 ro

## default grub root device
## e.g. groot=(hd0,0)
# groot=(hd0,4)

## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. alternative=true
## alternative=false
# alternative=true

## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. lockalternative=true
## lockalternative=false
# lockalternative=false

## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the
## alternatives
## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
# defoptions=quiet splash

## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options
## e.g. lockold=false
## lockold=true
# lockold=false

## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenhopt=

## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenkopt=console=tty0

## altoption boot targets option
## multiple altoptions lines are allowed
## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options
## altoptions=(single-user) single
# altoptions=(recovery mode) single

## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst
## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the
## alternative kernel options
## e.g. howmany=all
## howmany=7
# howmany=all

## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option
## e.g. memtest86=true
## memtest86=false
# memtest86=true

## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system
## can be true or false
# updatedefaultentry=false

## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options
## can be true or false
# savedefault=false

## ## End Default Options ##

title Linux Mint 6, kernel 2.6.27-7-generic
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic
quiet

title Linux Mint 6, kernel 2.6.27-7-generic (recovery mode)
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro single
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic

title Linux Mint 6, kernel Last successful boot
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/last-good-boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet splash last-good-boot
quiet

title Linux Mint 6, memtest86+
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin
quiet

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.
title Other operating systems:
root


# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda1
title Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
root (hd0,0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1

****************************************

Have also read about and downloaded 'boot_info_script27.sh' and have listed results below - again nothing jumps out.

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============================= Boot Info Summary: ==============================

=> Grub0.97 is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda and looks on the same drive
in partition #5 for /boot/grub/stage2 and /boot/grub/menu.lst.

sda1: _________________________________________________________________________

File system: ntfs
Boot sector type: Windows XP
Boot sector info: No errors found in the Boot Parameter Block.
Operating System: Windows XP
Boot files/dirs: /boot.ini /ntldr /NTDETECT.COM

sda2: _________________________________________________________________________

File system: Extended Partition
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:

sda5: _________________________________________________________________________

File system: ext3
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:
Operating System: Linux Mint 6 Felicia
Boot files/dirs: /boot/grub/menu.lst /etc/fstab

sda6: _________________________________________________________________________

File system: swap
Boot sector type: -
Boot sector info:

=========================== Drive/Partition Info: =============================

Drive: sda ___________________ _____________________________________________________

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x51800670

Partition Boot Start End Size Id System

/dev/sda1 * 63 723,326,624 723,326,562 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2 723,326,625 976,768,064 253,441,440 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 723,326,688 966,390,074 243,063,387 83 Linux
/dev/sda6 966,390,138 976,768,064 10,377,927 82 Linux swap / Solaris


blkid -c /dev/null: ____________________________________________________________

/dev/sda1: UUID="40E007AFE007A9EC" TYPE="ntfs"
/dev/sda5: UUID="7cc8b0f5-03e0-45af-a776-3d45f944fba1" TYPE="ext3"
/dev/sda6: UUID="e53391b7-6c54-464e-98da-01bf44eef489" TYPE="swap"

=============================== "mount" output: ===============================

/dev/sda5 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
/proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=755)
binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/paul/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=paul)


================================ sda1/boot.ini: ================================

[boot loader]

timeout=30

default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

[operating systems]

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect


=========================== sda5/boot/grub/menu.lst: ===========================

# menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
# grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
# grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
# and /usr/share/doc/grub-legacy-doc/.

## default num
# Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and
# the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used.
#
# You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
# is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
# WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not change this entry to 'saved' or your
# array will desync and will not let you boot your system.
default 0

## Graphical boot menu location
gfxmenu=/boot/gfxmenu/default.message

## timeout sec
# Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry
# (normally the first entry defined).
timeout 10

# Pretty colours
color cyan/blue white/blue

## password ['--md5'] passwd
# If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing
# control (menu entry editor and command-line) and entries protected by the
# command 'lock'
# e.g. password topsecret
# password --md5 $1$gLhU0/$aW78kHK1QfV3P2b2znUoe/
# password topsecret

#
# examples
#
# title Windows 95/98/NT/2000
# root (hd0,0)
# makeactive
# chainloader +1
#
# title Linux
# root (hd0,1)
# kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
#

#
# Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST

### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below

## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs

## ## Start Default Options ##
## default kernel options
## default kernel options for automagic boot options
## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z
## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.
## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro
## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro
# kopt=root=/dev/sda5 ro

## default grub root device
## e.g. groot=(hd0,0)
# groot=(hd0,4)

## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. alternative=true
## alternative=false
# alternative=true

## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. lockalternative=true
## lockalternative=false
# lockalternative=false

## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the
## alternatives
## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
# defoptions=quiet splash

## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options
## e.g. lockold=false
## lockold=true
# lockold=false

## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenhopt=

## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenkopt=console=tty0

## altoption boot targets option
## multiple altoptions lines are allowed
## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options
## altoptions=(single-user) single
# altoptions=(recovery mode) single

## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst
## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the
## alternative kernel options
## e.g. howmany=all
## howmany=7
# howmany=all

## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option
## e.g. memtest86=true
## memtest86=false
# memtest86=true

## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system
## can be true or false
# updatedefaultentry=false

## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options
## can be true or false
# savedefault=false

## ## End Default Options ##

title Linux Mint 6, kernel 2.6.27-7-generic
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet splash
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic
quiet

title Linux Mint 6, kernel 2.6.27-7-generic (recovery mode)
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic root=/dev/sda5 ro single
initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic

title Linux Mint 6, kernel Last successful boot
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/last-good-boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet splash last-good-boot
quiet

title Linux Mint 6, memtest86+
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin
quiet

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.
title Other operating systems:
root


# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda1
title Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
root (hd0,0)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1


=============================== sda5/etc/fstab: ===============================

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
# /dev/sda5
UUID=7cc8b0f5-03e0-45af-a776-3d45f944fba1 / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
# /dev/sda6
UUID=e53391b7-6c54-464e-98da-01bf44eef489 none swap sw 0 0
/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0

=================== sda5: Location of files loaded by Grub: ===================


389.5GB: boot/grub/menu.lst
434.0GB: boot/grub/stage2
434.0GB: boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-11-generic
434.0GB: boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic
434.0GB: boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-11-generic
433.9GB: boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic
434.0GB: initrd.img
434.0GB: initrd.img.old
434.0GB: vmlinuz
433.9GB: vmlinuz.old
=======Devices which don't seem to have a corresponding hard drive==============

sdb sdc sdd sde

****************************************

Have booted from XP Cd and gone to repair console and did chkdsk, found errors but were fixed. Thought about running FixMBR record but wasn't sure if this would replace the grub MBR and then bottled it...


Any help would be much appreciated - thanks
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby Fred on Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:09 am

LMZippy,

It would be easier for me to see if you would post a screen shot of your partition table taken from gparted. Gparted is a partitioning tool. You can find it in your menu from the desktop.

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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby LMZippy on Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:18 am

Hi Fred - thanks for your help, have attached screen print.
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby viking777 on Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:24 am

That is an interesting script you found there, I have never heard of 'boot_info_script27.sh' before. It seems very useful.
You were right, fixmbr will certainly hose grub.
Aside from that, like yourself I can't see what the problem is.
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby Fred on Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:38 am

LMZippy,

I don't see anything wrong with your setup, which means that you probably have something amiss with the Windows boot process.

I would suggest you go to the url below and download and burn the latest stable version of SuperGrub live cd iso. Boot with the cd you just burned and choose to repair the Windows boot. When this is done you should be able to reboot and have Windows come up normally.

http://download.linux-live-cd.org/Super ... sgd/cdrom/

If the above works ok put SuperGrub back in the drive and use it to boot into your Linux install. Don't try to fix anything else with it, just use it to boot Mint. Once you get to the Mint desktop open a terminal and type:

sudo grub

root (hd0,4)

setup (hd0)

quit

Close the terminal, remove SuperGrub, and reboot. You should get the nice Mint boot menu. Make sure both Windows and Mint boot ok. It doesn't matter which you try to boot first.

Hope that fixes your problem.

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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby Fred on Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:40 am

viking777,

Yes you are right. It gives a lot of good information. It is just in my case all that info just drives my old brain into information overload. lol :-)

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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby LMZippy on Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:42 am

Thanks Fred - will give it a bash.
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby styvens on Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:47 am

nagging, I would call it advising :wink:
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby LMZippy on Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:41 pm

Hi all,

downloaded supergrub and I think more through my ignorance of the subject then anything else I ended up with a machine that wouldn't boot at all. If I'm honest I was randomly choosing option's in supergrub until I got a response that looked positive..! Think I ended up simply buggering up the boot record, grub or otherwise, so that nothing worked.

Then found this - http://www.linuxmint.com/wiki/index.php ... _your_grub - which showed how to rebuild the grub entry and that gets me back to the boot options which include windows and linux mint etc but still the windows OS refuses to boot. In between I have used fixmbr and fixboot but windows will still not boot. Disk looks fine, partition looks fine. Am about to have another play with supergrub and will come back.
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby viking777 on Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:56 pm

I wouldn't worry on one score Zippy, I have supergrubdisc as well and I find it so confusing that I never use it any more, I would rather use the command line (and believe me I do NOT say that often!). Anyway if you have used fixmbr and then attempted to boot windows and failed, then in my opinion nothing you could possibly do in Linux or super grub disc is going to make any difference whatsoever. It is your Windows installation that is at fault, I don't know why or how but I am fairly sure that is the case (note - not absolutely sure, but then I am only absolutely sure about death and taxes :lol: ).

I would love to be able to think of a reason for this, or a way around it but I can't, perhaps somebody more knowledgeable than me will be able to.
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby Fred on Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:08 pm

viking777 is certainly correct in his assertion that it is a Windows problem. That is the first order of business. To get Windows to boot properly. Linux can be easily fixed. I usually have pretty good luck with SuperGrub fixing a Windows boot problem. viking likes the Windows tool better. The long and short of it is if neither will repair the Windows boot you have a lot of work in front of you. I do hope you have backup for your data. If not then we need to work on that issue before you loose the data in the Windows partition.

Bye-the-way, never use SuperGrub to repair your Linux install grub. Just use it to boot into your Linux install. Then you can easily fix most grub problems from the command line.

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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby LMZippy on Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:01 pm

All,

Backups are all in place. I copy all of my documents to an external drive every few weeks and in windows I access my Gmail and sky (google do their email) through thunderbird which is great because they keep copies on the server.

In my head I think that when the PC powers up you come across the grub first, then based on what you chose you either hit linux or windows and given that linux mint is working then windows has to be the issue. Unfortunately my family and I are always going to be slightly windows dependant (the odd game and itunes/ipod) which means that its either dual boot working or windows in isolation. Haven't played with supergrub again since earlier so will try to boot into windows without a repair and see how i get on.
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby Fred on Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:24 pm

LMZippy,

I feel bad that your first journey into Linux has been less than pleasant. I am confident in saying that Linux didn't cause this problem however. It may have caused it to surface but the problem was already there in your Windows install.

The only place that Windows and Linux touch is in the boot sector of the hard drive. What is called the MBR. There is a pointer, for lack of a better term, that Windows puts there to direct the boot flow to the Windows loader. When you install Mint it overwrites this pointer with the grub kernel and diverts it to the Linux install boot menu. When you select Windows from there to boot, it just points back to the Windows boot loader that was being used to begin with by Windows. It is pretty much dirt simple to put the Windows pointer back in the MBR.

There are a number of tools that can do this. We have been talking about two of them, Microsoft's fixmbr and SuperGrub. Those aren't fixing the problem so the problem must be deeper in the process. Probably has something to do with the chkdsk problem you mentioned in the beginning.

I hesitate to speculate on what the problem might be in Windows but I would bet a brass monkey that is where it is. :-)

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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby LMZippy on Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:43 pm

Hi Fred,

Wouldn't say its been unpleasant - if it was simple what would we learn...? Did try some ubuntu thing last year and that was a disaster, mint seems to be step forward from there. I've had no problems with hardware, internet access was fine, pretty successful really.

PC has just finished doing another chkdsk but nothing has changed. Am going to do dome more forum trawling and see if I find anything else.
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby LMZippy on Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:23 pm

Fixed it - found this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=974950 and followed the instructions around 'sudo apt-get install testdisk' and 'sudo testdisk'. Gave me an error message and I had to rebuild the boot sector. Now windows and linux mint both work.

Thanks all for your help.
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby styvens on Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:35 pm

Good job mush!!!

Bl***y smart ar*e :wink:
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Re: Dual boot problem with XP - XP just says starting.....

Postby Fred on Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:54 am

LMZippy,

I am glad you found and fixed the problem. I should have thought of the possibility of an out of bounds corruption of the boot sector. What would concern me at this point is how it got that way.

There is a virus, rather old now, that puts a stub in the boot sector that can sometimes cause this problem to surface when you install something in the first 512 byte sector. But it is rare to see it these days. Do you know if the 1st sector size had been changed?

Oh well, just thinking out loud, or on virtual paper. Glad everything worked out. :-)

Fred
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and each time expecting a different result.

Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on the menu. Liberty is an armed lamb protesting the electoral outcome. A Republic negates the need for an armed protest.
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