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Booting into Linux Mint from Windows 7 bootloader

Postby pjeet89 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:25 am

I am a total newbie in Linux things, I got a cd of Linux Mint 7 from a friend of mine who installed it in his laptop. He said that after I install it, my windows 7 bootloader will be taken over by Linux's GRUB bootloader. Now I don't want that to happen. I wish to use Windows 7's bootloader to give me options on whether to boot into linux mint 7 or windows 7. I am yet to install linux, please suggest me as simply as possible on how to accomplish that. I am bit of an advanced user in Windows but I am worse than useless when it comes to linux. :?:
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Re: Booting into Linux Mint from Windows 7 bootloader

Postby Pierre on Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:37 am

in win7, 1st off - defrag your hdd & then use it's partition manager to shrink the partition a little.
then boot the livecd, & use its partition manger, in the install process, to format the spare / blank area to ext3 & allow for a swap partition to use as well ( use the install partition manager to make each).

make the swap partition about one GB in size, & the mint partition about 10 - 25GB, depending on the size of your hdd.

the Mint will install grub as it's boot manager, to allow the selection of either Mint or win7.
M$ won't allow a non M$ boot setup to run - it overwrites it, with its own.
You will need to use the linux boot manager to get access to both O/Ss.
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Re: Booting into Linux Mint from Windows 7 bootloader

Postby pjeet89 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:11 pm

I learnt that Ubuntu allows it to happen.... and as far as I no Mint is somewhat Ubuntu in the core, so cant it allow so???
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Re: Booting into Linux Mint from Windows 7 bootloader

Postby richyrich on Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:34 pm

It is called mint4win, and will autorun when you insert the Mint Live CD in Windows.
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Re: Booting into Linux Mint from Windows 7 bootloader

Postby pjeet89 on Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:54 am

richyrich wrote:It is called mint4win, and will autorun when you insert the Mint Live CD in Windows.


r u talking bout the wubi type installer?? I actually am talking about loading grub using the windows boot manager. I found out that ubuntu can be easily booted from windows boot manager by first making the GRUB installed in the ext3 partition where ubuntu is installed and then adding the GRUB link thru the software called easybcd.... i tried it on mint but it didnt work.......
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Re: Booting into Linux Mint from Windows 7 bootloader

Postby MexDeath on Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:50 pm

pjeet89,

Well, first... greetings. Now, to business:

As Pierre told you
M$ won't allow a non M$ boot setup to run - it overwrites it, with its own.
You will need to use the Linux boot manager to get access to both O/Ss.

That, that right there, more than tells you the rest of the story. However, if you insist:
I learn[ed] that Ubuntu allows it to happen [...] Mint is somewhat Ubuntu in the core, so[,] cant it allow so?[...]

Well, yea its Ubuntu based, but still, that does not mean that they have to perform exactly the same functions. I mean, Mint is Ubuntu based, yet Ubuntu is Debian based, however, that does not imply that Mint would work the same as Ubuntu, or as Debian. But the important thing here is: What is it that Ubuntu allows to happen? That's a bit confusing there. Here's the way I see it:

Case 1.
Say you have Windows7 installed (Which I dislike just as much as Vista, BTW), and you install Ubuntu. When you install Ubuntu, it will install a boot-loader (GRUB or LILO), this boot-loader will in turn allow you to boot into Ubuntu, or Windows7, your choice. If that is the case, then yes, Ubuntu is able to do "it." Where "it" is all that I just mentioned in Case 1.

Case 2.
Say you have Windows7, and opt to install Ubuntu. Say too that from Windows you are able to... somehow... setup your Windows7's boot-loader so that it displays both OS's as options to boot into. The fact that Ubuntu would be compatible to do such thing does not mean that Ubuntu is able to do "it." Where "it" implies Ubuntu's compatibility, or ability to be booted from within a Windows7 boot-loader. What happens here that Windows7 can do "it" as long as Ubuntu is compatible with this process. (Can you see how I'm getting a headache from writing this? :lol: )

However, you further persist (and no, I am not complaining, I'm simply analyzing what you're saying to get to my point :D ):
I actually am talking about loading grub using the windows boot manager

So, your plan is to "load" a boot-loader (GRUB) from within another boot-loader (Windows7's)?
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:roll:
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:wink:
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Sort of like... nesting boot-loaders? :!:
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That would be redundant, and unnecessary.

Then you go on explaining this quite complex algorithm to your problem:
I found out that Ubuntu can be easily booted from windows boot manager by first making the GRUB installed in the ext3 partition where Ubuntu is installed and then adding the GRUB link thr[ough] the software called easybcd.... i tried it on mint but it didn't work.

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:roll:
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:?
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That was more confusing than reading a Chinese book upside down. However, I think I was able to crack this codified language. What you are saying is that you can boot Ubuntu FROM Windows7's boot-loader by taking GRUB into a Partition where Ubuntu is installed, and somehow set a link from the Windows7's boot-loader to that Ubuntu partition where the GRUB is installed.

OK, I get that, but... why go through all this...
After I install (Linux's GRUB), my windows 7 bootloader will be taken over by Linux's GRUB bootloader. Now I don't want that to happen. I wish to use Windows 7's bootloader to give me options on whether to boot into linux mint 7 or windows 7

... trouble, for lack of a better word, when you can simply install GRUB as your main boot-loader?

The fact that your Windows7's boot-loader will be over-ridden does not imply that Windows7 will act any less imperfectly (yea, I meant that "imperfect" :| ). Not only that, but it would save you time, and it's very effective. Now, I don't know all that quantum-nuclear-rocket... science you did to Ubuntu so that it could be booted from a Windows7's boot-loader, but, let me tell you... there is no need for that. :)

Use the tools that Linux is providing you with, they do have a tendency to be more stable, secure, reliable, and fast. Install GRUB as your main boot-loader, and avoid all this hassle. :wink:
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Re: Booting into Linux Mint from Windows 7 bootloader

Postby MexDeath on Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:05 pm

Here, you might also want to take a look at this:
http://apcmag.com/the_definitive_dualbo ... bystep.htm

I hope it helps.
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Re: Booting into Linux Mint from Windows 7 bootloader

Postby nukm on Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:06 pm

The Windows bootloader will boot Linux but you have to write a line pointing it to the Linux install. You do not have to put GRUB in the MBR of sda. You can check Herman's page here for alternatives http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p15.html

To find out how to modify the Windows bootloader, use Google. I don't have a Win 7 install but XP and Vista can boot anything from the Win bootloader if the correct line is put in. You might also read up on LiLO and GRUB2 since GRUB2 will soon be default. Since you are an advanced Windows user, you should be able to modify the Windows bootloader without difficulty.

You might want to run a LiveCD for a bit to learn something about Linux before you actually dump it into your harddrive. That way you can check if all the hardware is working in Linux. If you do an install, back up anything important.
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