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Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Oohlalatte on Mon May 05, 2008 7:23 pm

I'm a total n00b... I need some help. I'm trying to install applications with the Terminal... I type this when usually trying to install something :

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sudo ./configure


It goes, but when I get to the "make" part, it gives me errors saying stuff like "no exception to make for 'all'". Or something of the sort...

And also... My copy of Linuxmint won't update. It keeps telling me I have 172 updates that need to be installed. But when I go to the update window, it shows no updates to be installed.
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Husse on Tue May 06, 2008 6:51 am

Please be a bit more specific
Did you install build essentials?
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=9234
There is a minor problem with mintUpdate that gives the result you describe. However I have to ask Clem for the solution - I can't find it but I think I've seen it
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby MagnusB on Wed May 07, 2008 4:47 pm

Open mintUpdate and press refresh, that usually does the trick.
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby miket on Thu May 08, 2008 4:30 am

I find the GUI based updater to be very unreliable ... the best way is to do the updates via the commandline,

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade


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MagnusB wrote:Open mintUpdate and press refresh, that usually does the trick.
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Husse on Thu May 08, 2008 6:12 am

AvanceIT wrote:I find the GUI based updater to be very unreliable ... the best way is to do the updates via the commandline,

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade


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MagnusB wrote:Open mintUpdate and press refresh, that usually does the trick.

NO NO
Basically you are right AvanceIT but mintUpdate categorizes the updates so you won't do the dangerous updates that can break your system
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby miket on Thu May 08, 2008 6:17 am

Husse wrote:
AvanceIT wrote:I find the GUI based updater to be very unreliable ... the best way is to do the updates via the commandline,

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade


Mike.

MagnusB wrote:Open mintUpdate and press refresh, that usually does the trick.

NO NO
Basically you are right AvanceIT but mintUpdate categorizes the updates so you won't do the dangerous updates that can break your system


But surely it will only update what you have already got installed, it shouldn't introduce anything new ?
I've always done my updates in this fashion without any problems at all ...

This begs the question, why are "Dangerous Updates" even being released ?? ;)

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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Husse on Thu May 08, 2008 6:44 am

Sorry Mike - you have not followed the debate about this early last autumn - I should have been more clear
Dangerous updates are things like an update to the kernel - the kernel already exists :)
But an update could break your video or worse your wifi, so they are classified as dangerous (manually so far) and hidden with the default settings of mintUpdate
This and to avoid an upgrade to the next Ubuntu by mistake (Pushing the button in the Ubuntu update manager) were the main reasons for mintUpdate
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby miket on Thu May 08, 2008 7:00 am

Hi Husse !

Husse wrote:Sorry Mike - you have not followed the debate about this early last autumn - I should have been more clear
Dangerous updates are things like an update to the kernel - the kernel already exists :)
But an update could break your video or worse your wifi, so they are classified as dangerous (manually so far) and hidden with the default settings of mintUpdate
This and to avoid an upgrade to the next Ubuntu by mistake (Pushing the button in the Ubuntu update manager) were the main reasons for mintUpdate


Ok, so this is something the Mint team have added, ok makes sense ....

Thanks !

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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Ookami on Thu May 08, 2008 8:21 am

Oohlalatte wrote:I'm a total n00b... I need some help. I'm trying to install applications with the Terminal...

Depends on what the programs you are trying to install are, but as a general point you should always look for the .deb packages if you have problems with the source code.

But it would help if you gave more details on what programs you are trying to install, and whether or not compiling from source code is an essential for you. As you're a “total n00b” as you put it, you're probably better off looking for the .deb package, or using the Mint Software Portal.
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby lakehousetech on Thu May 08, 2008 10:49 am

@Ookami - Who's the dude with the green mohawk? I Wish I had one.
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Sakonim on Thu May 08, 2008 11:52 pm

Husse wrote:Sorry Mike - you have not followed the debate about this early last autumn - I should have been more clear
Dangerous updates are things like an update to the kernel - the kernel already exists :)
But an update could break your video or worse your wifi, so they are classified as dangerous (manually so far) and hidden with the default settings of mintUpdate
This and to avoid an upgrade to the next Ubuntu by mistake (Pushing the button in the Ubuntu update manager) were the main reasons for mintUpdate



Noway!!! I've been doing 'aptitude upgrade' regularly! Is there anyway I can check if I'm using the mints recommended versions of packages?
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Husse on Fri May 09, 2008 5:18 pm

aptitude upgrade

But hopefully not dist-upgrade?
You get fewer, not more, updates with mintUpdate as it puts the potentially (very) dangerous kernel updates (and the like) in category 4 or 5 which are hidden by default. This is to protect you from screwing up your system - video and/or wifi and/or you name it may stop working - stability before the very latest
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Sakonim on Sat May 10, 2008 12:14 pm

Husse wrote:
aptitude upgrade

But hopefully not dist-upgrade?
You get fewer, not more, updates with mintUpdate as it puts the potentially (very) dangerous kernel updates (and the like) in category 4 or 5 which are hidden by default. This is to protect you from screwing up your system - video and/or wifi and/or you name it may stop working - stability before the very latest


No, i stay away from dist-upgrade. But I'll remembe to only update through mintupdate from now on. I don't thinkI've screwed anything up. My openoffice splash screen is not nice and green anymore though. And uname -r gives me this - 2.6.22-14-generic . Thats the standard kernel version for Daryna right?
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Husse on Sat May 10, 2008 3:35 pm

2.6.22-14-generic Correct
Yes - the beauty of mintUpdate is that you can avoid some of the (ugly) problems and update of the kernel can bring
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby MagnusB on Sat May 10, 2008 3:46 pm

It more or less comes down to what you want: Stability (not updating your drivers each time a kernel update come in) or safety (as most kernel updates are security updates). That being said, I have never encountered the need for updating my drivers on any Ubuntu kernel update, though that may not apply to all, though..
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Forgot to mention, rather use aptitude safe-upgrade than apt-get/aptitude upgrade as safe-upgrade holds back packages that have dependencies with newer version than available or unmet dependencies.
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Husse on Sat May 10, 2008 4:05 pm

That being said, I have never encountered the need for updating my drivers on any Ubuntu kernel update

Lucky you :)
One update in Bianca broke my graphics - and then I had not - or just? - started as a Mint support person, so I was completely taken by surprise when it was all black
Also several reports of destroyed wifi - but it as a balance...
Some time ago we moved up an update to category 3 just because it dealt with a potential severe security risk
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby MagnusB on Sat May 10, 2008 4:22 pm

It could be a bigger issue in Mint, as Mint is forked from Ubuntu, and maybe using "Envy drivers" rather than "Restricted drivers" could also be a factor. Still, it is easy enough to change to vesa and download the drivers again, especially for me, as I expect my system to break at a regular interval (really shouldn't be playing so much around with it, but it is not my "production computer", so... :) ).
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Husse on Sun May 11, 2008 8:33 am

I agree with you MagnusB - but for a noob
Mind you I was a computer geek when I joined Mint, but not on Linux and I just did not know what the f-ck to do
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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby Sakonim on Sun May 11, 2008 6:13 pm

Husse wrote:2.6.22-14-generic Correct
Yes - the beauty of mintUpdate is that you can avoid some of the (ugly) problems and update of the kernel can bring


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Re: Troubles with Linuxmint

Postby MagnusB on Sun May 11, 2008 7:03 pm

I just spent my time learning, shouldn't really expect everyone to do the same, but still, I am really surprised to see people have no interest in how things work, just that it work... My estimate is that about 30 - 40% of Windows users run a stock system infected badly with viruses and buy a new computer because it is slow, which I find intriguing, as I haven't been infected for the last 4 years running Windows..
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