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Could Gnome point releases be packaged?

Postby mad-scientist on Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:25 pm

I have one frustration about Mint (and Ubuntu): the releases are aligned with the Gnome *.0 release on a 6 month cycle, but it seems that the distributions rarely, if ever, update their packages to the newer Gnome point releases (*.1 or *.2) that are released between one *.0 and the next *.0. The only exception, for Ubuntu anyway, is the LTS releases. This means we're always basically running with *.0 code until the next *.0 release, and we never get the benefit of the general bug fixing going on between releases of Gnome.

Is there any alternative or solution to this problem, other than building things locally for myself?
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Re: Could Gnome point releases be packaged?

Postby xenopeek on Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:15 pm

Neither Ubuntu nor Linux Mint Main Edition are rolling distros. But you know that already :wink: LMDE is a semi-rolling distro, but probably that still doesn't upgrade Gnome packages fast enough for you.

Perhaps the GNOME3 PPA is what you are looking for: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
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Re: Could Gnome point releases be packaged?

Postby mad-scientist on Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:49 am

Thanks xenopeek. I'm not really talking about updating individual packages so much as pulling the entire Gnome point release (Gnome 3.6.1, released in October, or Gnome 3.6.2, released in November). I understand the manpower issues and that people are working on getting the next release ready. I just think it's unfortunate that we're perpetually using the "dot-zero" release of Gnome (as a platform). While once in a while a specific fix for a particularly egregious bug *might* get backported, there are a lot of stability enhancements and bug fixes that go into the newer point releases of Gnome, that are never seen in Mint or Ubuntu. It's like we jump from one release with new features and no bug fixes, to the next release with new features and no bug fixes without the benefit of the feature stabilization releases in between.

On the one hand if Gnome developers are being responsible and only making bug fixes and not changing APIs, etc. it should be straightforward (although obviously still requiring manpower and compute power) to rebuild the newer point releases. On the other hand, maybe that's an optimistic assessment. Plus I don't know if Mint adds lots of customizations/patches to the Gnome codebase which might require investigation to ensure they still apply properly.

Or, maybe the real problem is that Ubuntu doesn't do this and Mint is using Ubuntu for its upstream packaging?
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Re: Could Gnome point releases be packaged?

Postby xenopeek on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:42 pm

mad-scientist wrote:Or, maybe the real problem is that Ubuntu doesn't do this and Mint is using Ubuntu for its upstream packaging?

Yes, that sounds more likely. And even with the .0 releases, Ubuntu has historically kept packages back to an older version for various reasons.
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