Ran them in terminal....I was given a PID and nothing more.
I let it sit for a while in case it was doing it in the background. Nothing.
I cannot run the update, package manager, or the software portal.
If I use the software portal, it will prompt me to save or use the installer, then performs the download and that is where it stops. I get a "busy" cursor as if it is trying to start the updater....then it goes away.
I will perform a clean install this evening to see if that takes care of it...if not...on to other distros!