freedom wrote: Many Windows users don't have broad band. So your fine KPacage or Add/Remove does them no good because if the ISP were good enough to let them stay on line long enough to download something like OpenOffice.org it would take several days.
Distros such as SUSE ship on DVD with all applications you'd ever need already on the DVD. Office suites? Check: Koffice, OpenOffice, Gnumeric, Abiword, tons of others. Just pick what you want during the installation. Or install them all if you want to and if your disk is big enough. Graphics programs? Check. GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, ImageMagick, and tons of others. Multimedia? Check. Amarok, k3b, RealPlayer, ... everything is there on the DVD. Programming? Check. Tons of compilers and programming languages are already there on the DVD.
It's just a matter of buying the right distro and you never even have to connect to the Internet and download anything, except the small update or patch here and there
freedom wrote: To Linux gurus (you) buying CDs is old and useless,
The way you formulated it: Yes. There are of course cases where I too need to buy a CD, e.g. in the case of commercial software which isn't free for download. But just because of that we don't need to have Linux changed upside down into another Windoze
freedom wrote: Those that should be the Linux target market feel this way.
You see, that's where you are wrong. Nobody is targetting the broad masses of Windows users
Commercial vendors such as Red Hat, Novell/SUSE, Xandros and now Oracle are rather targetting the business users and their server rooms. The broad mass of Windows users just isn't ready yet it seems.
And the kernel developers don't really care about this. They develop this stuff because they like developing it and not because they want their system on 99% of all desktops. Take Torvalds for example: He simply doesn't care about this (and I fully agree with him): "I do not compete."
In other words: Use Linux if you want to use it. But nobody forces you to do it.
freedom wrote: Mint is good, but it could be better is what I was saying.
You should talk to clem
then ... Mint is his baby and this is his one-man-show. You could open a new thread with your suggestions in the "Feedback & Suggestions"
sub-forum here ...
freedom wrote: But put this distro in front of 100 average windows users
You see, that's the problem
You expect everything to behave and work like Windows .... and that just isn't going to happen.
On the contrary:
Give a total computer noob (e.g. my wife !!) a Linux installation ... and guess what? She is totally and completely happy.
And nope, for her it isn't complicated at all.
Let's suppose she wants the new version of Firefox? Point and click, tick the checkbox that offers the new version, and woooosh, the new version and all its dependencies get auto-installed. She doesn't need to worry about anything. Install location? Language? Nope - the system will take care of it.
Let's compare that to Windows: Search the right SETUP.EXE and then click through various dialogues ... Now that is scary for a noob? Install location? C:\Program Files\Mozilla\Firefox .... what in the world is that???
And why is this thing in German when I wanted to have it in English like the rest of my desktop???
Believe me ... Once you let go of your bad Windows habits you will come to realise that it is you
who enjoys unnecessarily complicated things ... not me
freedom wrote: it WILL have to have a good easy way to install software when it is NOT on line.
It already has.
It's just that you can't let go of that "setup.exe" idea which is not needed here