Ok, after a lot of reading up in the archwiki pages I finally worked out what I had to do - as I am mostly using fluxbox window manager I added the following to my ~/.fluxbox/startup script:
killall mate-keyring-daemon gnome-screensaver
/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=secrets &
Also, depending on what is needed might also need to add:
/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=pkcs11 &
/usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=ssh &
But I suspect the same thing can be done in mate by adding stuff in the startup applications.
Incase u need them the best references I found for this were at:https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SL ... me_Keyringhttps://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=565705