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Postby Shadowriser on Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:13 pm

I have an Asus G2S notebook and a old crappy HP laptop with the same problem. When I am in Windows a movie I play is at a nice volume at say 75%. In Linux Mint 7 even at 100% the volume is still not as loud as Windows is. I have checked ALSA in the past in terimal. Also made sure all master/LFE etc all on max. Still a lot lower then Windows. I only mentioned the 2 notebooks because I know people like hardware spec's. I have also found this the case on my AMD and old Intel p965 board with ALC 883 Realtek audio. I also notice this in Linux Mint KDE and Ubuntu on my HP. Hoping something silly I am missing. Thanks
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Re: Lower sound

Postby igorzwx on Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:48 pm

Hi!

If you need loud sound, you may try OSS4
Do not run osstest with earphones!!!

If your hardware is not supported by OSS4, you are out of luck.

Read this story:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=32173
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Re: Lower sound

Postby Shadowriser on Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:57 pm

Thank you, will try it when out of work!
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Re: Lower sound

Postby igorzwx on Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:19 pm

Soundcards supported by OSS4
The hardware lists are here:
http://mercurial.opensound.com/?file/6b ... ists/Linux
http://www.opensound.com/osshw.html
QOUTE: "This list is not 100% complete. There are dozens of sound cards that are based
on some standard sound chips (or motherboard chipset) made by vendors like
Intel, VIA, Cirrus/Crystal, Analog Devices, Realtek, Yamaha, C'Media,
Trident, Sigmatel and many others. Such cards may not be listed in the
following list but they are still supported. Just look at the list of
"Generic ..." devices below."

Hints:
1. Compile OSS4 from Mercurial
2. When you run install command:

sudo dpkg -i oss*.deb

it will tell you which soundcards are detected.

You may better install another Mint 7 in dual boot on the same box (10GB is enough),
and make experiments there.

Good luck!
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Re: Lower sound

Postby ezsurfer on Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:52 am

Many laptops ID the speakers as "front". If you check your sound icon (left click) move the selector to the ALSA playback id, and you will normally see a "front" set of sliders. Move them all the way up, and this fixes most.

I hope this helps with yours!

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Re: Lower sound

Postby igorzwx on Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:59 am

Friends!

You can amplify sound with ALSA as much as you want.
But ALSA is not for audiophiles.

Try OSS4 and you may hear the difference.
see:
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Re: Lower sound

Postby Kaye on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:38 pm

OSS is a terrible idea if you're on KDE (you mentioned KDE in your original post, not sure if you use it or not).

Kmix is currently incompatible with OSS4, meaning to change your volume you'll be forced to either a) write a script and put it on a hotkey or b) manually change it from the terminal.

igor: OSS is absolutely, unequivocally not the endall solution for sound problems. Please stop treating it that way.
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Re: Lower sound

Postby igorzwx on Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:44 pm

Kaye!

I cannot understand you way of communicating.

QUOTE: "igor: OSS is absolutely, unequivocally not the endall solution for sound problems. Please stop treating it that way."

QUOTE: "Kmix is currently incompatible with OSS4"

Are your statements grounded on something substantial?

Kmix might be incompartible, I have not tried it yet.
But you do not need it at all, because you have the native OSS Mixer (ossxmix) GUI with OSS4.

The real problem is drivers.
If your sound card is not supported by OSS4, you are out of luck.

Perhaps, you may read these:
http://martinbaselier.wordpress.com/
http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... sorry.html

and then we may discuss all these in a more constructive way.
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Re: Lower sound

Postby Kaye on Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:09 am

They are grounded in the fact that I've tried using OSS with KDE and it was horrible. No one wants to open ossxmix to change their volume, that is a really crazy thing to ask people to do when kmix is working perfectly with ALSA. Perhaps they will update kmix, but for now it's a definite no go. Not to mention that OSS probably won't even increase their volume substantially (unless the 7 systems I've installed OSS on all happen to be different than any other computer in the world).
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Re: Lower sound

Postby igorzwx on Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:06 am

Hi Kaye!

This is really something interesting to discuss.

QUOTE: "They are grounded in the fact that I've tried using OSS with KDE and it was horrible."

This is, of course, your subjective opinion, and it is of value, therefore.
The objective fact is that subjective experience is the real experience.
But it is different for different people.
For you, KDE is something nice, for me, it is really a horrible thing.
OSS4 and OSS Mixer were deliberately designed to expose the internals to the user.
This is what I like most of all.
If I am not mistaken, both Windows and KDE were deliberately designed in such a way
that the user is prevented from understanding the system internals, or even from noticing that there is something "internal".
And, in fact, large numbers of users do not want to know anything about the system internals and there are happy with
Windows or KDE, therefore.

In short, what is good for you might be horrible for others, and other way round.
If, for example, a Russian drink a bottle of vodka, he may feel happy.
If a German consume such a dose, he may die from intoxication.

What is important is the freedom of choice.
But we have to inform the user what he may expect from this or that option.
I believe, therefore, that it is very good to discuss such things in a constructive way.
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Re: Lower sound

Postby Shadowriser on Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:50 am

I deleted KDE, only using Linux Mint Gnome right now. I already checked the left and right etc for mixers I put all to max. Still alot lower then crapdows. Will try OSS4 soon as I delete my vista partition on the laptop.
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Re: Lower sound

Postby igorzwx on Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:48 pm

Hi Shadowriser!

The best howto for OSS4 is here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound

This story might be useful for you:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=32173

The best place to discuss OSS4 problems is OSS4 forum, of course:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenS ... leshooting

Ask Cesium, he may surely help.

In a word, the best option is to try OSS4 on an old box with an old soundcard (not HDA).
You may easily learn the basic knowledge, and it might be very helpful for troubleshooting HDA.
Hight Definition Audio soundcards have to many controls and useless functions,
and this is the problem in both cases (OSS4 and ALSA).

Good luck!
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