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Problems with Sound Juicer and selecting AAC

Postby zenobiaflex on Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:57 pm

I can't seem to get Sound Juicer to allow me to rip to AAC. I have 7000 songs in m4a for my iPod and don't want to switch to MP3 and don't want to change my iPod to use Ogg... Sound Juicer shows me the edit dialog... it actually freezes, but if you right click and close the "edit Gone audio" window (or something similar) it lets you edit.

Well... the activate box is already checked... I have even deselected and reselected... nothing helps... AAC never shows up as an option.

I'm running Cassie...

Basically, Iwant to rip to AAC and sync my iPod.. I was going to use Banshee but it doesn't rip to AAC apparently and will only play them if I install something, though it is unclear how to do this... annoying!!). So... if someone can help me get this working I'd be very grateful... I just want to get my iPod working in Linux... why does it have to be so convoluted!
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Postby zenobiaflex on Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:03 pm

Ok... I managed to get the codec to show up... it turned out that I hadn't installed the 0.1 version (aka good, bad, and ugly) for gstreamer. The strange thing was that I was not able to get the following command to work (from looking at an Ubuntu guide over on their website)

gst-install

This (on my Ubuntu USB persitent version) was giving me feedback... on Mint I get Bash: command not found.

I digress... so I was able to get sound juicer to rip to m4a (AAC). Unfortunately, it sounds terrible... choppy in fact. When I play iTunes ripped m4a files, they sound fine... but the "juiced" files sound very bad.

So... if someone has an idea... please let me know. I just want to finally ditch XP and iTunes is the last holdout for me I think. I can't get it to work in VirtualBox (can't even rip tunes since it doesn't seem to see the CDs I put in the drive). I can't seem to make AAC files that aren't junk in Linux with the tool I have (Sound Juicer with Gstreamer).

I was hoping for an all-in-one solution, but cannot seem to find it... Banshee would be perfect, but no AAC! I wish there was a plugin that would at least rip the AAC files for Banshee...

Please help... this is getting just painful!
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Swithced to GRIP

Postby zenobiaflex on Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:43 pm

Well-

after looking at a similar subject on the ubuntu forum, I decided to try GRIP since it doesn't use gstreamer. I can report back that GRIP ripped to AAC (M4A) and produced files that sound and play fine. I had to also install FAAC or FAAD (can't remember which). I will just have to figure out how to make it the default ripper. I only wish banshee used GRIP since it looks like the simple iTunes-like interface I was hoping to use in Mint. I like Amarok, but I don't feel like I need or want all the bells and whistles... I have to really relearn how to use my iPod on the computer otherwise.

Anyway... hope this info helps someone else.
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Postby jhouse59 on Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:49 pm

zenobiaflex I'm trying to get my computer to convert my M4A to mp3s. I've used Sound Converter. It will show my files. But, it will not let me convert them. I keep geting this error message "GStreamer Error
Could not decode stream file:'01 I Don't Wanna Stop.m4p" . I've installed all the GStreamer that my book "Ubuntu Linux by William von Hagen" says to. I didn't install all the GStreamer listed.
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Postby merlwiz79 on Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:28 pm

You are trying to convert a .m4p which has DRM from Apple's Music Store.
This is most likely your problem.
http://filext.com/file-extension/M4P
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Postby jhouse59 on Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:35 pm

merlwiz79 wrote:You are trying to convert a .m4p which has DRM from Apple's Music Store.
This is most likely your problem.
http://filext.com/file-extension/M4P

Yes. Its songs I've bought at Apple's Music Store. I just want to be able to listen to them in Linux. Do you know how to convert them? If I understand the book "Ubuntu Linux by William von Hagen" right it can be done. But, I've installed all the GStreamer listed. Sound Converter will convert them but, I still get the error message, Nothing I've tried so far will open them.
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Postby thebrix on Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:56 am

jhouse59 wrote:
merlwiz79 wrote:You are trying to convert a .m4p which has DRM from Apple's Music Store.
This is most likely your problem.
http://filext.com/file-extension/M4P

Yes. Its songs I've bought at Apple's Music Store. I just want to be able to listen to them in Linux. Do you know how to convert them? If I understand the book "Ubuntu Linux by William von Hagen" right it can be done. But, I've installed all the GStreamer listed. Sound Converter will convert them but, I still get the error message, Nothing I've tried so far will open them.


Regrettably it is not possible - that is the point of Digital Rights Management, which is the (in my opinion) warped technology causing all the problems you are experiencing.

Apple (it was their decision - nobody else is at fault) deliberately ties the M4P files to operating systems which can run iTunes, namely Windows and Mac OS X, and to the iPod itself. You will not be able to play M4P files on a Zune, for example, although it advertises itself as being able to play "AAC files", where AAC is the audio encoding algorithm used by M4P files.

In the old days (iTunes 5 and before) there were packages available which could remove the protection and turn M4P into M4A (unprotected) files, which Amarok now handles splendidly.

I saw this problem coming and did that conversion for about 20 albums I bought; thereafter I didn't touch the Apple Store and, when I still used Windows, stopped using iTunes to handle the iPod (foobar2000 did the trick instead).

Unfortunately Apple got wise to that trick and, in iTunes 6 and 7, locked down the protection so strongly it has, so far, proved unbreakable ...

Bottom line: you will have to use a Windows machine with iTunes to move the M4P files to and from your iPod.

An unsatisfactory workaround would be to burn the M4P files to an audio CD (I believe iTunes supports that) then rip that using soundjuicer etc. I have never done that, but it should be possible (if longwinded).
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Postby jhouse59 on Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:46 am

thebrix wrote:
jhouse59 wrote:
merlwiz79 wrote:You are trying to convert a .m4p which has DRM from Apple's Music Store.
This is most likely your problem.
http://filext.com/file-extension/M4P

Yes. Its songs I've bought at Apple's Music Store. I just want to be able to listen to them in Linux. Do you know how to convert them? If I understand the book "Ubuntu Linux by William von Hagen" right it can be done. But, I've installed all the GStreamer listed. Sound Converter will convert them but, I still get the error message, Nothing I've tried so far will open them.


Regrettably it is not possible - that is the point of Digital Rights Management, which is the (in my opinion) warped technology causing all the problems you are experiencing.

Apple (it was their decision - nobody else is at fault) deliberately ties the M4P files to operating systems which can run iTunes, namely Windows and Mac OS X, and to the iPod itself. You will not be able to play M4P files on a Zune, for example, although it advertises itself as being able to play "AAC files", where AAC is the audio encoding algorithm used by M4P files.

In the old days (iTunes 5 and before) there were packages available which could remove the protection and turn M4P into M4A (unprotected) files, which Amarok now handles splendidly.

I saw this problem coming and did that conversion for about 20 albums I bought; thereafter I didn't touch the Apple Store and, when I still used Windows, stopped using iTunes to handle the iPod (foobar2000 did the trick instead).

Unfortunately Apple got wise to that trick and, in iTunes 6 and 7, locked down the protection so strongly it has, so far, proved unbreakable ...

Bottom line: you will have to use a Windows machine with iTunes to move the M4P files to and from your iPod.

An unsatisfactory workaround would be to burn the M4P files to an audio CD (I believe iTunes supports that) then rip that using soundjuicer etc. I have never done that, but it should be possible (if longwinded).


Thanks thebrix,
I just have a couple of albums from iTunes.I burned them to a cd.Then ripped them in Mint.
Do you know of any where music can be bought. For Linux user?
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Postby thebrix on Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:51 pm

jhouse59 wrote:
Thanks thebrix,
I just have a couple of albums from iTunes.I burned them to a cd.Then ripped them in Mint.
Do you know of any where music can be bought. For Linux user?


My involvement with online music is not great, but what you have to search for is "non-DRM music". This is slowly creeping out at the moment from major labels, but the most immediate place to get it is inside Amarok - the Magnatune tab on the left of the screen (hit Update to refresh the catalogue).

(There are some excellent classical recordings available from there. I don't have the knowledge to comment on how good their other offerings are ...
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Postby jhouse59 on Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:21 pm

thebrix wrote:
jhouse59 wrote:
Thanks thebrix,
I just have a couple of albums from iTunes.I burned them to a cd.Then ripped them in Mint.
Do you know of any where music can be bought. For Linux user?


My involvement with online music is not great, but what you have to search for is "non-DRM music". This is slowly creeping out at the moment from major labels, but the most immediate place to get it is inside Amarok - the Magnatune tab on the left of the screen (hit Update to refresh the catalogue).

(There are some excellent classical recordings available from there. I don't have the knowledge to comment on how good their other offerings are ...


Thanks, Have you ever bought any thing from them? I like classic rock. I didn't see any thing I might like.
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Postby thebrix on Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:52 am

jhouse59 wrote:Thanks, Have you ever bought any thing from them? I like classic rock. I didn't see any thing I might like.


About a dozen classical CDs. Unfortunately (probably because there is not much money involved) it is mostly smaller groups of instrumentalists involved and the repertoire is generally before 1830.

(The classical orchestra started to grow in the early 19th century ... two dozen musicians or so would no longer suffice).

Then, for music after the early 1920s, copyright kicks in - it costs a fortune to hire score and parts of works not in the public domain (I write from experience, regrettably). That is unfortunate because World War I was so devastating to the ranks of musicians that the size of ensembles, perforce, shrunk and a lot of works that would be appropriate to Magnatune's size and scale were written in the 20th century!

So the choice is probably permanently restricted by economics. Some interesting performances, though.
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