There's no guarantee that when security vulnerabilities are discovered, an update will be created. Users are on their own.
There is no ability to set parental restrictions.
FedoraRefugee wrote:This is great guys! Dont you see it? I have heard many Linux fanboys poo-poo netbooks and claim that it isnt a big market sector...This shows that MS is indeed noticing little ole Linux!!! The big marketing wheels are rolling. I cant say much in that was FUD, there is actually a lot of truth to MS's claims
FedoraRefugee wrote:Most people just do not care about "freedom" in their OS. They just want things to work. Am I saying Win 7 is "better" than Linux? No, not at all! Just that it is a better choice for most.
Ow, only Windows users are capable of running it, because the program is not web-based, but is is a win32 exe file.
rich_roast wrote:It occurs to me that this might be because in the battle for hearts and minds MS is vaguely aware that when they lose a customer it's a permanent arrangement (for reasons I would have thought should be obvious by now ), so there is no reason for them to try and market to these customers any more. Note how all of the FUD here is bona fide FUD - aimed at preventing present customers from leaving rather than attempting to attract any back.
rich_roast wrote:Wow. I'm sorry.
I don't have time to read the entirety of your post but to answer your initial question it was just a flippant remark. Frankly I'm really happy that there's Windows and that so many people enjoy using it as an operating system: I am equally glad that I am not one of them. It has been my common experience that Linux and Mac users do not tend to return to using Windows once they have migrated, but no, I have not a single shred of hard evidence to back that up.
I humbly retract my statement and shall now shut up. It was partially in jest, partially a quick assessment of a very limited amount of evidence presented here, and 0% meant as a serious and weighted judgment of an entire corporation's entire marketing policy. I am deeply sorry.
FedoraRefugee wrote:Why am I so involved here? I guess because Linux FUD bores me almost as much as MS FUD. I hate Linux evangelists.They are very shortsighted and not very bright. They cant seem to understand that the world does not care about which operating system anyone uses.
FedoraRefugee wrote:Why would anyone bother to learn how to use it when Windows came on the computer, everyone else uses Windows, all their software and any software they are likely to buy runs on Windows, any peripheral out there is designed to run on Windows, and anytime they need help they can get it professionally.
DrHu wrote:Why am I so involved here? I guess because Linux FUD bores me almost as much as MS FUD. I hate Linux evangelists. They are very shortsighted and not very bright. They cant seem to understand that the world does not care about which operating system anyone uses.
I did read it, although it took awhile (no paragraphs..)
In terms of FUD, there were a few comments included, that to me are also shortsighted..
world does not care about which operating system anyone uses..
Microsoft most definitely cares, it is at least 1/2 of their sales product line
--and it is the reason they are competing against Google's attempt to disenfranchise any OS, and just run a WEB based system..
FedoraRefugee wrote:I was, of course, talking about the consumer, not the manufacturer.
I count 4 paragraphs, though typical of online formatting they are not indented. Nor, I see, are yours. I apologize if they are a little longer than what you would encounter in a Dr. Suess book though.
I never got to read Dr Seuss, I am sorry.
--does tend to remind me of Microsoft's Halloween documents
FedoraRefugee wrote:Just be careful you dont become guilty of the same thing you accuse MS of. I suppose you can back this statement up? You can prove this? Or is it just "Linux spin?"
I dont know why I am answering this, I have already said my piece in here. I do not consider myself to be on either "side," in fact I dont see any reason why there needs to be a side. MS is trying to advertise their product, trying to show why Windows is the better choice. Some of what they claim holds merit, much does not. This is just advertising, as DrHu mentions. What holds true for me may not hold true for you. I like the taste of Coke better than Pepsi. If Linux were a commercial entity, which it is not, at least not in the form of desktop Linux, do you not think they would spin their advertisement also, explaining why Linux is a better choice than MS? In fact, one only has to read the FUD about Windows in any Linux forum to see this!!! It is no better, in fact it is usually much worse, than anything MS claimed.
But the bottom line here is why do you even care? Are you afraid MS might beat out Linux in the OS market? I mean, do you honestly think Linux ever stands a chance of taking over from MS? Why cant Linux users just be content with using their OS, why do they feel the need to save the world? Save it from what? Get it through your heads, people dont care about Linux! They dont want to hear about it, they think that because it is free it sucks. And really, trying to get involved in it with no knowledge it does suck!!! Why would anyone bother to learn how to use it when Windows came on the computer, everyone else uses Windows, all their software and any software they are likely to buy runs on Windows, any peripheral out there is designed to run on Windows, and anytime they need help they can get it professionally. Why would a "normal" person want to spend time dicking around with drivers trying to get their printer to print or their wifi to work? Why would they want to spend time trying to figure out Wine to get their favorite game to work? Most Linux distros are buggy at best, that is unless you go with a "stable" distro that is so dated it will bring you to tears. Mint is probably the least buggy out of all of them and a quick look through this forum will tell you it is no walk in the park either. Most of you "Linux evangelists" who want to save the world could not even make a real distro work! Go ahead and try running Fedora or Slackware or Gentoo, Arch, even installing debian. This is why most people dont care about Linux. They just want to use their computers, they dont want to have to become experts. I will grant you that Mint mostly does work and is easy enough for anyone. But the point still stands, why bother?
So why am I getting so wound up here? Am I just another Windows fanboy? I dont believe so, I have paid my dues. I have used Linux for 10 years now. I was MS free for a good six or seven of those years. Only recently did school force me back into Vista and Office 2007. I like it! That's right, I went back and I think Vista is a quality OS. I am glad I was forced back into it now, though initially I was very angry about it. I also use Arch Linux. I enjoy both OSs. If I had to make the choice I would pick Linux. But I dont need to make any such choice. Why am I so involved here? I guess because Linux FUD bores me almost as much as MS FUD. I hate Linux evangelists. They are very shortsighted and not very bright. They cant seem to understand that the world does not care about which operating system anyone uses. It took me a few years to outgrow this myself, I once wanted to save the world from the evil empire too. I still recommend Linux to people, I still wax eloquent about its virtues, I still try to help new users get involved in this OS, get going so they can give Linux a fair chance, not just 2-3 hours of being lost and then posting a "linux sucks" thread before running back to MS. I always suggest a new person get an older (but still modern) computer just for Linux. This way they can become involved at their own pace. There is no reason to "dump" Windows. Windows is a useful tool to have around. So why am I wasting my time here, in this thread? I dont know...Maybe to try to bring some balance back. Maybe to try and show that you dont need to "defend" Linux. Maybe to try and explain that it doesnt need to be one or the other. Maybe just because I am a troll at heart too and i just want to rock the boat a bit. I just hate to see Linux users stoop to this level. Is Windows perfect? No. But Linux isnt either. Why not just let them worry about the market share, after all, it is THEIR money! Linux has nothing to gain or lose, nothing to prove. Linux just is. It is there for the taking, for anyone who wants a fun alternative. Linux can do anything Windows can do (within reason, you shouldnt expect to run Windows software in Linux, you wouldnt expect to run Linux software in Windows would you?) and many people have done without Windows and have just used Linux for a long time now. Linux was ready for the desktop a decade ago and it has just gotten better since. It has now reached the point where the learning curve is very shallow and it is accessible for anyone. You no longer need to take years to learn it and you dont need to know a dictionary full of bash commands. But you still need to learn. Could Linux take over from Windows? Could the world be as comfortable running Linux as they are Windows now? Yeah, sure. It wouldnt be too hard a transition. Will it ever happen in real life though? No, it will not. Windows is here to stay and it will always rule. Just be happy we have a choice.
FedoraRefugee wrote:Most Linux distros are buggy at best (...) I hate Linux evangelists (...) Windows is here to stay and it will always rule.
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