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Why use linux?

Postby veloct on Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:45 pm

Seems to me that so many new linux users are just plain lazy and want everything done for them by the OS.

So why use linux if you don't want to learn to use it? Seems to be that it would be best to stick to windows or MacOS.

Discuss :)
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Postby Ede on Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:00 pm

1. Most linux-distros are free. FREE.

2. It's generally more stable. I'd rather run a hospital on linux than windows.

3. It's alot, ALOT more secure, since it's unix-based.

4. Cooler names for software (Seriously, The GIMP? Gnome? "I'm running a gimp on a gnome." ^^)

5. Better community. It's easier to get help with something, since it's open source.

6. Penguin.

7. It runs on almost every hardware ever made.

8. Total freedom over your computer and how it behaves. "Yeah, gimp! *spank* Do this!"

etc.
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Postby nelamvr6 on Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:04 pm

I disagree with your premise.

Just because I don't want to learn how to rebuild an engine doesn't mean that I don't want a better car, does it?

An OS should make things simple, almost intuitive. If you want to dig in and learn more, you should be able to, but no one should have to do so just to use a computer.
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Postby linuxviolin on Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:29 pm

nelamvr6 wrote:An OS should make things simple, almost intuitive. If you want to dig in and learn more, you should be able to, but no one should have to do so just to use a computer

Maybe but even with Windows which is "easy" (supposedly :shock: ) it is not so simple to use a computer. I know many people who does not find that “easyâ€￾, even for simple things.:wink:

So if one says to them to clean temporary files, registry or cookies by example they do not know what one speaks to them. :? cookies? the cakes? :lol:

So no using a computer is not so "easy" or intuitive... :roll:

P.S.= Btw I think that it is necessary to keep a certain “difficulty"…
K.I.S.S. ===> "Keep It Simple, Stupid"
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Postby alexander on Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:28 pm

I'm under the impression by the inclusion of automation tools such as mintdisk, mintinstall, envy etc. that the operation of mint is meant to be as simple as possible.
Mint will become more simple in the future with the inclusion of mintassistant.

As for there need for a certain level of difficulty I couldn't agree less.
I want to be able to type up my uni assignments and listen to last.fm, not have a brawl with the X server.

If I wanted difficult I would find a distro that is difficult.
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Postby linuxviolin on Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:19 pm

alexander wrote:As for there need for a certain level of difficulty I couldn't agree less.

I put quotation marks ("") at difficulty... :wink:
But I believe that the PCs will be always a little... complex for some. It is not the kind of thing which one makes by closing the eyes, there are things to know and to learn, some is the OS. :roll:
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Postby bigbearomaha on Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:08 am

The real question for me is, why do people use computers?

To get thing done. to accomplish tasks and perform services that will likely assist getting a certain job done.

What is an OS for? for people to interact with the computer in able to perform said tasks and services.

I don't think anyone would argue, one of the primary reasons windows is success is because it "tries" ( doesn't always succeed, but it tries ) to make those tasks and services as simple as possible.

One could even go so far as to say, an OS's primary role is not just to provide interaction with the computer, but to facilitate that interaction.

One of Windows greater failures is that it doesn't allow those people who need or want access to the "guts" of the machine or, to use the infamous auto reference, it locks the hood. " Sorry, you can't do that tune up yourself, got to have permission from the factory to do that. sucks to be you."

Why, because many people have the interest to work on their own car or computer. to make it go faster, or pull more weight, or carry a heavier load, etc.

Things that the people can learn to do that will save them money and make their car/computer customized to their specific needs.

Now, do all people want to be a mechanic/tech just to have their car/computer "customized/optimized?Of course not. BUT , we want to know it is possible, because maybe, I have a neighbor who is mechanically inclined/computer oriented who might "trade me" He'll work on my car/computer and I'll frame up his new deck ( cuz I'm a framer/carpenter maybe).

At least I know, even though I am not going to work on that computer myself, it can be done easier and cheaper than going back to the factory.

SO. what do I want Linux, a computer OS to do? I want it to facilitate and help me, as easily and directly as possible, get my tasks/work done on it.

I am willing to learn how to work with the computer, I just shouldn't have to be a tech to learn how to use a word processor.

( note. I am one of those computer oriented people who likes to work on computers, but I know that there are many many more people who are exactly as I describe, my wife and kids among them. My clients are people who want to use a computer, not be the tech for it just to type letters or print images.)

That's what I think people Use Linux, to have a better way to use a computer.

just my two cent,

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Postby linuxviolin on Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:22 pm

bigbearomaha wrote:That's what I think people Use Linux, to have a better way to use a computer.

A better way does not want to say than it is enough pushing the power button, hit some keys or clicking some share for that all functions. That is not so "easy". (and maybe fortunately if one wants to keep a certain quality) It's not a "playmobil"...

I don't say that it's only for "specialists", not at all, just that there are things to learn and know like everywhere.

you spoke about car, a code must not be learned and a driving licence must not be passed? Still and always to learn using such or such thing… even using a PC. (up to a certain point of course)
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Postby jml on Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:19 pm

I think that there is another reason that people try out Linux. Freedom. By that I mean freedom from big companies charging exorbitant fees for bloated, complicated and crash prone software. I think MS did the Linux community a favor by releasing Vista. Vista requires so many resources, many if not the majority of computer users are looking at massive hardware upgrades. When presented with the choice of spending big bucks upgrading a computer, or trying that "Linux thing" many users will probably opt for Linux. And yes, those users probably do not want to look under the hood, they simply want to get their work done as reliably and economically as possible. I say, the more the merrier.

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Postby WinXpNewb on Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:07 pm

A. Free including most software. As an added bonus, Synaptic beats having to search for programs in Windows

B. Idiot friendly - If I mess up, I still have the live cd.

C. Install friendly - I don't know how to install Win Xp and got lazy and decided to install Mint instead. Because there's no viruses, there's no extra step to check everything first before having a network connection which means learning is as fast or as slow as I want it to be. An added bonus is that Firefox is removeable though unfortunately until people start supporting Opera more, there's no better main browser alternative.

D. Elegant

Most quality distributions have great artwork prepackaged. Themes are easy to change and many already come prepackaged. A search bar on the start menu. Process Explorer available by default. Tomboy Notes immediately made present (though I'm glad I caught the days of Cassandra when it still had a welcome message after installation) In addition, the choice part allows separation of lightweight vs. memory consuming unlike Xp which even under Classic can still feel slow and it still does not fully replicate 98SE which is the OS I first used and felt most comfortably combined speed + functionality due to nostalgia.

E. Potential

Everytime I want to progress as a power user, I can because the OS is already very powerful on it's own and I can't say the same for Windows. Everytime I have a mild desire to touch the commandline, it gives no incentive to do so. It's like the difference between Firefox and Opera. The former forces me to either look too deeply and learn basic programming or scripting or forces me to settle with it's extension system. The latter from time to time gives me an incentive to progress to that advanced stage on my own because it gives me the opportunity to tweak some files under ctrl F12 advanced and sometimes there are things that can only be looked at in the profile and then because it's features comes out of the box, it's all within a certain area and organized in a much more consistent way. The result is that I have a customized context menu on Opera and a cluttered one on Firefox and I see the same thing happening with Linux from my brief time with Mint. The more it gets me familiar with the terminal for doing some commands that require sudo, the more I detach myself from the clutches of my GUI upbringing and the more I learn about a feature, the more it improves my productivity at a gradual pace that doesn't suddenly require a slap in the face like a virus breaking down my entire OS for me to start paying attention.

F. Options

As more and more simplified manners of installation are made to the beginner, the more each distribution gets a mini-prepackaged fork under it that's personalized for a certain task. This means as the more popular the Desktop Linux OS gets, the more options there are for ignorant users like me. Distro developers help shorten that line of difficulty too and technology is progressing fast.

Wubi, pen drives, X boxes. Sure they require learning for now too but I'm still keeping my hopes up that eventually Linux will close the gap and really become the hardware friendly OS for all types of things not just for hobbyists.
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Postby civint on Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:30 pm

It's for hobbyists?!?

I use linux cos:
i) I'm poor
ii) It looks nicer
iii) It avoids the annoying 'update or be left forever behind' ethos of windows/osx
iv) It's creator has an awesome name (Torvalds? COOL)
v)Do I see a penguin in windows? NOPE.
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Postby Lowkey on Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:47 am

I love the fact that I can (with a lot of time and effort make my perfect computer). The time Ive saved with saying "Nope, I dont use windows anymore I use Linux" has saved me alot of time ;) Well I do have a VirtualBox of XP as a pet hehe

Come to think of it, i wish all "helpful nerds" would use Linux. Microsoft wouldnt get away with making half baked products...

Nerds of the world, unite in boycotting helping Windows users...Whose with me? lol :)
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Postby blu3ness on Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:02 pm

I love linux because of its philosophy.

Freedom in sharing and contributing

I also love linux for its productivity, yes the GUI is not as polished as OSX or Windoze, but the CLI is non-rivaled.

I love LaTeX, it creates beautiful documents, and I love being able to write scripts to parse data into LaTeX formats.

I also love the community, I love the people that uses linux, they are a curious bunch, and most of them are ******* brilliant as well.

I use linux, well, because it's linux. :wink:
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Postby deadguy on Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:27 am

Why use linux???

stability

configurability

the community's are great

open source is great

and vista sucks!!
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Re: Why use linux?

Postby belovedmonster on Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:05 pm

This thread makes me think of this strange phenomena I've noticed relating to Mac OSX. Bear with me it will relate to Linux eventually ;)

When ever you go to somewhere like Digg and see people posting anti-Mac comments they very often include comments like "Macs are only for people who are too stupid to use a regular computer".

I've always found this a bizarre opinion to have, because surely to go out of your way to be a Mac owner shows you are have above average knowledge of computers. I mean, the people who can barely work their email and are complete computer noobs have never even heard of a Mac. To purposefully go out and buy a niche computer with a niche operating system and to use that on a daily basis despite the problems that brings suggests that you have a certain level of confidence in using technology does it not?

How I would relate this back to Linux is to say that similar to the MacOSX thing but probably even more so; the people who try Linux are technologically minded people who know far more than the average person on the street about computers.

So my point would be, if someone is complaining that Linux is too hard or does stuff in a dumb way then Linux just must have a problem. These aren't lazy people or stupid people who dont know any better, they are techies . No one is lazy if they have gone out of their way to download and use Linux! No, these are people who have expectations that arent being met by Linux.

OK, I'm sure you get the odd daft person who moans over something because its not Windows, but in general you gotta realise that these complaints are valid.
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