Google Now Wants All YOUR Personal Information

[KBD47]

Better not use Google+ then

Well, this is spot on! You do NOT use FB, Twitter, G+ nor any similar social-networking junk if you are concerned with privacy. There is no privacy with these things.

I was surprised that pretty much all my twitter posts come up in a google search under my name as well as my google+ stuff.
Seriously rethinking my google relationship, and very likely will close my google+ account. I like to separate my info, somethings I like to share and don't care if the world knows it, but other things are private. We should be able to use the web and have a private life--but that is disappearing.
KBD47

[doktornotor]

Uh, not Washington Post, please... Frankly, there is no shift in policy. There is one policy now, there were zillions of them before which noone read, noone cared about and noone understood - and that includes these Washington Post folks. I seriously do not see how having this huge mess replaced with one clear policy is a bad thing nor how does it change core values of a company. Blaaaah. Maybe they should rather write about crap like ACTA/SOPA etc., which is the real concern.

I was surprised that pretty much all my twitter posts come up in a google search under my name as well as my google+ stuff.

Pardon me? Surprised? You are required by TOS to use your real name for G+, and you are surprised now? Cmon, now...

[KBD47]

I think the main thing that must go for me next to google+ is my gmail account. I foolishly thought that gmail account was mine and mine alone, but if google is using that as a main identifier it can no longer be considered private. As one of the news article says--Google has adopted a new philosophy regarding protecting its users privacy (or Not Protecting user privacy). I don't care for its new policy. I liked everything separate as it was before this new policy shift.
KBD47

[KBD47]

[quote="doktornotor"]Uh, not Washington Post, please... Frankly, there is no shift in policy. There is one policy now, there were zillions of them before which noone read, noone cared about and noone understood - and that includes these Washington Post folks. I seriously do not see how having this huge mess replaced with one clear policy is a bad thing nor how does it change core values of a company. Blaaaah. Maybe they should rather write about crap like ACTA/SOPA etc., which is the real concern.




You really see nothing wrong with the fact you cannot opt out of the shared search data, but can only cancel your account?


This is from a CNN article:
"There are certainly reasons to be concerned about keeping all of your eggs in one basket. It means there's a single point of failure, which makes me nervous," Rose wrote. "The fact that you can't opt-out of shared search data, and that Google will know more about you than your wife? That's a little creepy."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/27/tech/web/ ... index.html

from pcworld:
While some users may welcome the new changes and the potential added benefits they may provide, others, including privacy experts and regulators, are voicing concern over the changes. The biggest sticking point is that Google does not appear to have an opt-out option for the new way your data will be handled. Instead, if you have a Google account, your data will be combined to deliver these new services to you -- whether you like it or not.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/248715/g ... _care.html

[doktornotor]

You really see nothing wrong with the fact you cannot opt out of the shared search data, but can only cancel your account?

No, I have really nothing to opt-out from anyway. As said above, if your problem is that +1 shows your real name then you have never read the Google+ privacy policy anyway:

We may display your Google Profile identity to people who have your email address or other identifying information.

This is a snippet from the current privacy policy, not the new one. See here. And none of those complaining about "oh noes, my t0p s3cr3t +1 identity is now revealed, baaaad Google" apparently read the +1 TOS anyway, since:

Because of this, it’s important to use your common name so that the people you want to connect with can find you. Your common name is the name your friends, family or coworkers usually call you. For example, if your legal name is Charles Jones Jr. but you normally use Chuck Jones or Junior Jones, any of these would be acceptable.

If you are unable to complete the Google+ sign-up flow, or if your profile is or could be suspended for a name-related issue, review our guidelines below. If your profile name was already saved, and we find your name doesn't adhere to our Names Policy, you will have a four day grace period to change your name or appeal our finding before we take further action.

If we challenge the name you intend to use, you will be asked to submit proof that this is an established identity with a meaningful following. You can do so by providing links to other social networking sites, news articles, or official documents in which you are referred to by this name. Note that this name and your profile must represent you, and not an avatar or other secondary online identity. Profane or offensive names are not allowed.

Right. Baaaad Google.

[KBD47]

doktornotor, I hope you are right, that Google is a pristine angel who can be completely trusted and everything they are doing is for our benefit and no reason for concern.
I think the answer is to become less, not more reliant upon Google. I don't think this new policy of across the board info-gathering is a good thing. But people are free to disagree and do as they wish.
KBD47

[doktornotor]

I am not telling you that Google is a pristine angel, I am merely telling you that all there are absolutely no privacy-related changes happening now by getting all the various policies getting consolidated into one. All the "changes" people seem to complain about already happened last summer when this +1 thing went live - now noone forced you to use the +1 thing, right? What have the Washington Post guys been writing back then? Ah, I bet it was something about Google vs. Facebook. Definitely not anything about privacy,

[ASmith]

craig10x wrote,
them having the information is one thing...but you're suggesting they are then making it public and giving it to other people, companies, etc...where are you getting that idea from? Somehow i can't imagine they would do that...would be rather poor business ethics as it would get out on the Internet and people would abandoned using anything connected with them...so just for sheer "business preservation" i think they would have enough common sense not to get involved in such practices...
reputation is very important to a big company like they are...

tdockery97 responds to craig10x with, Couldn't have said it better myself.

Video alleging Google Sold YOU Out: ALL Info NOW Stored In Overseas Servers,Your Credit Card Info,Phone Logs everything http://youtu.be/hH8C3Okujtw

I can't hardly believe how naive some of these submitted comments are, Google like many in this incredible privacy invasive US/Israeli/UK government led Era Sells YOUR personal information to 3rd.party sources for megadollars. How those sources use YOUR personal information however can entirely vary from targeting ads, gauging national sentiments for political actions to entirely nefarious agendas regarding your habits, your connection with any possible felons, your GPS travels.

Microsoft used a similar approach with it's WebTV which collected all of it's users data which was resold to 3rd. partys for megadollars. Microsoft made huge amounts of money from selling users personal information AND on top of that charged their WebTV users for being the collection guinea pigs at the same time.

In nearly all such forced agreements, end user's/collection guinea pigs have virtually ZERO choice when it comes to the '3rd.Party' sources buying YOUR personal information. Sure, many here and globally likely wouldn't care if Macy's Shopping Corp. bought your information. Many here and globally WOULD CARE if the Israeli Mossad, STRATFOR, DARPA bought your personal information and without any indication placed YOU on one of their 'watch-lists' without charges, proof nor admission on how that happened.

The FBI now are pressing for backdoor cross platform Social Networking Tools to glean thru any/all emails,Gps,direct messages,photos,photo geo-tags.

Israel appears to be directly involved in a great deal of the pressure for Global Censorship lists, being at the top of the list of demanding content removed and moving under labelling those that express opposition to it's human rights abuses and push for global wars as 'pro-Nazi' then calling upon Germany's court ruling to remove free speech,websites and material which condemn and oppose such abuses.

Deep pocketed Jewish movie execs and the Jewish Lobbying Agency AIPAC appear also to be foremost in pushing/funding/lobbying US Politicians to pass the SOPA,PIPA laws which is likely why those bills are not simply going away because the majority of 'US Citizens' are against them.

Again, what is troubling is the warrant-less collection by Social Networking Agencys and ISPs of YOUR personal data sold to the Mossad, STRATFOR, DARPA and other allegedly nefarious agency's for questionable uses ALL without your knowledge nor your specific expressed agreement. In the near future, overseas travellers will run into this collected social network data being used against them to deny them entry, exits, flights, visa's, jobs and help.

The Push to Turn US/UK/Canada/Europe into massive degrading,human rights abusing Police-States would imo make the goose stepping former East German security forces proud and envious.

[xenopeek]

I think it's become pretty obvious by his previous post that ASmith is a pananoid troll...moderators should shut this thread down...
I had a suspicion this guy was "off the wall" from the get-go...

[MALsPa]

You can always choose not to use Google services at all. Or be very limited in what you use or what you put out there. I use GMail, but not for all of my email corresponence; I don't use Twitter, Facebook, Google+, etc.

You can only protect your privacy to a certain extent, anyway. But if you use the internet, sometimes it's best to work under the assumption that someone else can see what you're doing or writing.

Some of the privacy concerns seem important to note. Some of it seems like amusing paranoia. I have far more pressing things in my life to worry about, frankly.

[MALsPa]

anti-semetic

Aw, man, why did ASmith have to start in with that stuff about Israel... Could have been a good discussion and a good thread.

[ASmith]

Pointing out that Israel's DC Lobbying Organisation AIPAC and also allegedly Jewish Music,Movie exec's are among those behind the push for Internet Censorship SOPA/PIPA laws being passed is not anti-semitic, it is pointing out a direct push by specific special interests which conflict with the free exchange of information, file sharing and Internet rights.

[KBD47]

Though I don't agree to the degree of Asmith's concerns, I have gathered my thoughts about Google's new privacy policy into a blog post:
http://kbd-thinkingoutloud.blogspot.com ... other.html

[craig10x]

Pointing out that Israel and Jewish Music,Movie exec's are among those behind the push for Internet Censorship SOPA/PIPA laws being passed is not anti-semitic, it is pointing out a direct push by interests which conflict with the free exchange of information, file sharing and Internet rights.

What does religion have to do with anything? You obviously are anti-semetic...and obviously not jewish yourself...you think it says something in the old testament that compels hollywood producers to push for SOPA/PIPA? If you do that shows how dumb you really are...

I was under the impression that politics and religion were not supposed to be discussed in this forums...but i guess i was wrong...
soooo here goes:

What you mean is LIBERAL hollywood producers...it's not their religion it is their political affiliation...I happen to be of the jewish faith and i am a conservative...and i don't believe in such censorship...

[KBD47]

Never understood all the anti-Israel hate. Just one little country in a large world.
Not sure what Israel has to do with Google privacy and I'll refrain from asking.
KBD47

[MALsPa]

Though I don't agree to the degree of Asmith's concerns, I have gathered my thoughts about Google's new privacy policy into a blog post:
http://kbd-thinkingoutloud.blogspot.com ... other.html

I especially agree with this line:

Diversify, Diversify, Diversify, that is my suggestion to Internet users.

And, like you, I use Google search only as a back-up to other search engines (I prefer Duck Duck Go), and while I use the Chromium and Google Chrome web browsers, I change the default search engine from Google to Duck Duck Go.

The changes to the Google Privacy Policy aren't especially alarming to me, but they probably would be if I used a lot of Google services.

[MALsPa]

I was under the impression that politics and religion were not supposed to be discussed in this forums...but i guess i was wrong...

Unfortunately, I've seen it too often in the time since I've been a member here.

[KBD47]

MALsPa, in light of recent events Mint's move to the Duck Duck Go search engine may have been prophetic
Just came across this thought-provoking article about privacy and the net:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/28/google ... y-and-you/

[MALsPa]

What you mean is LIBERAL hollywood producers...it's not their religion it is their political affiliation...I happen to be of the jewish faith and i am a conservative...and i don't believe in such censorship...

Dang, do we have to go down this road?

[ASmith]

Calling the extremists trying to Censor the Internet, take down global websites who question a nations direction, activitys, human rights abuses as 'Liberals' can't even be spun into any sense of reality whatsoever. Such nonsense is so far out of any basis of reality it's simply not worth pointing out.

Under the aspects of 'Security' agencys inside and outside of America are actively pressuring ISP and Social Networks to divulge their users personal information without warrants, cause nor any proof of wrongdoing. Such utter corruption flows down the chain into and across Corporate America and global business's who now fully evesdrop on their employees Internet practices, comb thru Social Media Networks looking for anything they can dig up to fire their employees and the privacy invasions simply grow in number as the corruption at the top increases.

Folks are fully aware of who is lobbying the US Gov. to do this to the American people, they can trace the funds and the politicians they have in their pockets. Google as apparently several others have simply thrown up their hands and decided to make a great deal of money off of their users personal information since they are being forced by various agency's to constantly divulge it anyway. That is what I meant by corruption from the outside, influencing the way the US Gov. operates down to how Corporate America operates.

Yes Corruption Trickles Down and it's very evident to those that look.