Proprietary drivers are in essence unstable, do break things and have very limited compatibility with Linux hardware, some kernel releases and X/OpenGL versions. So you have to upgrade/reinstall/recompile them each time something they were not specially written for evolves. Open source drivers rarely break and dont have to be recompiled every now and then. I almost never use GPU proprietary drivers because I work with my machines and I want GPU drivers which never break.Did i fix it ?? yes, I played around a bit and installed the official driver again. But I really shouldn't have to.
Its bloody foolish and makes Linux feel unstable and weak. Are 'we' not at the turning point? the point where Linux could become a viable platform for people for gaming
Orbmiser wrote: Why would so many blame linux and post so many dismays in linux forum all over. When ALL KNOW that it's the manufacture that should be blamed.
Try to imagine how many permutations of hardware and software "this stuff" needs to be tested against. Even in Windows, updating graphics drivers has always been a crapshoot, and a headache.Seriously, im not sure who pushes out this Mesa stuff without testing? Is it the MINT Team themselves? Or is it an Canonical thing?
Of course it's hard. Hopefully Valve can demonstrate there's a market for games on Linux, and the industry will follow our money.So there must be a mature attitude adopted to testing before update when it comes to the GPU side of things, is it that hard?
Don't want breakage then don't run proprietary divers. I don't and use the default open drivers for my Ati 4350 and zero breakage
To "update," innocuous as it sounds, really is a fundamental difference from the Windows way of doing things. Programs, libraries, the whole kernel might change -- contrast, two or three "service packs" of security patches over the support life, with programs that may or may not bundle their own update daemons to clog up your taskbar and add bloatware. ("How sure are you you want the ask.com toolbar? Totally sure? Or just sure?")phill1978 wrote:Press update (pretend for a minuet that snide comment thats forming about reading what you install doesn't get spat out)
What was your fix? I like to drop to a console, run `sgfxi`, and pray.yes, I played around a bit and installed the official driver again.
If Canonical or Red Hat can't take ownership of the code, they can only support it to the extent the vendor helps. Nvidia and ATI are famously unhelpful. Distros can't be hostage to the GPU vendors' business needs, especially as a negligible share of the market.You see i am coming from the angle that closed software can be extremely good for the Linux community IF there isn't a conflict of interest. One side seems to want open source code for the driver and this somehow breaks my closed source driver?
Two critical differences: no updates, full hardware control.valve will create their own ISO steam box builds that will work
Two critical differences: no updates, full hardware control.
monkeyboy wrote:what did i miss
In the past things were broken in Linux
In the present things are broken in Linux
I am willing to bet that for the foreseeable future things will continue to broken in Linux.
Being outraged about reality usually doesn't do any good.
AFAIK, proprietary drivers are OEM, not official distrib drivers, so only the open-source ones are official.Dont put an update button somewhere plain sight and flashing "update me big boy" then have it Bork the system. And have said update button as a feature of Mint and then it turns out to be the worst for those wanting official drivers.
bigj231 wrote:In the past mesa, GRUB, the kernel, and other critical stuff was all level 4-5. I haven't used the mint updater for a while, so I don't know anymore.
And I know this will probably go over like a lead balloon, but nobody is forcing you to update your system. If everything is working, there's not much reason to update the kernel, GRUB, MESA, etc. In fact, Debian stable is running software that's years old now. You almost have to be trying to break a Debian stable system. Ubuntu/Mint are using newer packages, so there will be more breakages, but also more new features. If you never want your system to break, install Debian and leave it alone. You'll be stuck with old packages, but they will work.
When I was running an AMD laptop, I broke my system every few months when I tried to update the GPU drivers. I learned to leave it alone and the breakages stopped. I don't think it's any small coincidence.
Ubuntu has come a long way though. 6 years ago, I had monthly breakages on a LTS. Today, I run the latest release for the full 6 months without any issues except the ones I cause. Part of this is due in part to the excellent open source Intel GPU drivers, but most of it is due to the maturity and experience of the dev teams. ( 6 years ago now? I'm getting old. )
I currently run the open source drivers myself, but thats only because my card is no longer supported. It seems to me however, that when applying an update, it should be easy to code in a routine to do a check to see if the propriety driver is installed and if so, not apply that update. Or it could prompt the user with a warning that the update may break their system and ask if they want to continue or skip this update.
tdockery97 wrote:Orbmiser wrote: Why would so many blame linux and post so many dismays in linux forum all over. When ALL KNOW that it's the manufacture that should be blamed.
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