Fedora 12

[kidflash]

did anybody here ever try Linux Fedora 12 ?

a friend gave me a copy i might give it a try soon on a old machine.

[bobcollard]

did anybody here ever try Linux Fedora 12 ?

a friend gave me a copy i might give it a try soon on a old machine.

FYI: Fedora 13 came out in June and currently Fedora 14 is in Beta. That's quite a leap if you decide you like it and decide to upgrade.

[vrkalak]

I started my Linux adventures with Fedora, a few years back. First used Fedora 9 and currently, have Fedora 14 (but, have not used it yet)

I must say of the several Fedora versions I have used . . . I like Fedora 12-Xfce spin the best.

As a rule, Fedora is not as Newbie-friendly as Ubuntu/Mint. To me, Debian makes more 'sense' and was easier to learn. But, that's just me.

Unfortunately, nothing from the Fedora/Redhat/RPM distributions work with any of the Debian-based Operating Systems.
Not saying that one is better than the other ... just different.

All applications and the various Linux programs work well with either.

I still visit the Fedora Forums - just to keep my 'foot in the door' so to speak.

[bobcollard]

vrkalak, I'm with you when it comes to XFCE, but, I prefer Sabayon, a version of Gentoo. It's (different) too. Rolling upgrades like Debian, but, easier to install than Fedora or Debian.

[vrkalak]

vrkalak, I'm with you when it comes to XFCE, but, I prefer Sabayon, a version of Gentoo. It's (different) too. Rolling upgrades like Debian, but, easier to install than Fedora or Debian.

Agreed ... after Fedora, I went with Sabayon. Eventually, finding Mint/Ubuntu. Finally, moving to Debian.

But . . . let's stay on topic. FEDORA !!

//hits bobcollard with my Fedora (hat not the disk) I do have one, too. But, it's not red.

[bobcollard]

vrkalak, I'm with you when it comes to XFCE, but, I prefer Sabayon, a version of Gentoo. It's (different) too. Rolling upgrades like Debian, but, easier to install than Fedora or Debian.

Agreed ... after Fedora, I went with Sabayon. Eventually, finding Mint/Ubuntu. Finally, moving to Debian.

But . . . let's stay on topic. FEDORA !!

//hits bobcollard with my Fedora (hat not the disk) I do have one, too. But, it's not red.

It don't fit! My heads too big. LOL

[jesica]

I tried LiveCd Fedora 2 weeks back, when I saw the lack of programs compared to Mint I decide I not gonna even bother

[tdockery97]

Never tried it when I was distro hopping. Now that I've been on Mint for a good while I'm no longer interested in distro hopping. Mint sure can spoil you.

[willie42]

I have used Red Hat and I know Mint has me spoiled

[linuxviolin]

I have Fedora 13 XFCE on an "old" computer. I have also ran Gnome on it without problem. It's a quite not bad release and 14, it seems, should be better as some say... We'll see.

when I saw the lack of programs compared to Mint

Well, you should try the spins and other remix. They are often more "complete" than the original... e.g. Omega Fedora Remix, Fusion Linux, GreenOS, are relatively complete, even with codecs, flash etc They have perhaps not everything like Mint but it's not hard nor very long to add the rest, if you want it. Plus, if you are lazy, you have tools like you have for Ubuntu: Autoten, EasyLife...

Personally, I never use these tools and do the trick myself.

I have also CentOS on another computer and I have no real problem with both.

I prefer Sabayon, a version of Gentoo. It's (different) too. Rolling upgrades like Debian, but, easier to install than Fedora or Debian.

Sabayon? I prefer Calculate Linux much more. About Sabayon, ""slow like molasses" is a perfect description of Sabayon's Entropy/Spritz. But Sabayon's DVD is bloated, Calculate's is not." And Gentoo is not really "easier" than Ubuntu/Mint, Debian, Fedora/CentOS or other to use/maintain...

[Silent Warrior]

My experiences with Fedora can be summed up as 'Good, but not my style.' I felt the command-line updating used a slightly too esoteric syntax for my taste. Not that I can't figure it out, it's just... Well, you aren't actually typing 'install' or 'upgrade', are ya?

I hasten GREATLY to add that I have every respect for people's reasons to like Fedora, especially as RPM-packaging seems to have greater support than DEB, if my interests are anything to go by. Could be it's changed, but I haven't felt the need to check lately. (I just feel better manoeuvering APT.)

[linuxviolin]

I felt the command-line updating used a slightly too esoteric syntax for my taste.

"esoteric"? If I understand you well, you seem to say Yum is more "difficult" for you than Apt? Where is the difficulty in: yum install, yum erase/remove, yum update, yum check-update, yum upgrade, yum clean all etc All of this is very clear, simple, obvious... Even without knowing the commands you can find them quite easily.

Personally when I don't use Yum often I miss it.

And you are absolutely not obliged to use the command line for updating you know...

[Silent Warrior]

... Maybe I should see about giving Fedora another shot some day. I was referring to the likes of 'rpm -uvh' - THAT syntax isn't particularly intuitive, though 'yum upgrade' sure is.

But, you know, I never did find an upgrading-GUI that worked. Possibly PackageKit wasn't terribly mature at my Fedora-première.
[Edit] Uh, I just keep putting my foot in it about Fedora. I DID discover YUM Extender, and enjoyed it quite a bit. I'll just leave it at that to avoid making a COMPLETE fool of myself. I'm happiest making just a slight fool of myself, after all...

[bobcollard]

I prefer Sabayon, a version of Gentoo. It's (different) too. Rolling upgrades like Debian, but, easier to install than Fedora or Debian.

Sabayon? I prefer Calculate Linux much more. About Sabayon, ""slow like molasses" is a perfect description of Sabayon's Entropy/Spritz. But Sabayon's DVD is bloated, Calculate's is not." And Gentoo is not really "easier" than Ubuntu/Mint, Debian, Fedora/CentOS or other to use/maintain...

I believe I said easier than Fedora to "Install" To each his own.

[linuxviolin]

I believe I said easier than Fedora to "Install" To each his own.

To install? Ok, if you want , but where is the difficulty with Fedora?

Maybe I should see about giving Fedora another shot some day. I was referring to the likes of 'rpm -uvh' - THAT syntax isn't particularly intuitive, though 'yum upgrade' sure is.

RPM is a great tool but yes, its syntax can be a little "hermetic"... But you can use yum instead which has commands easier to remember/find.

A last example. To install a local file dowloaded from a web site on your hard disk:

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# yum localinstall --nogpgcheck nameofthepackage

You do not even have to be root, no absolute need for su - then the root password then the command, just type as a user:

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$ su -c 'yum localinstall --nogpgcheck nameofthepackage'

That's enough! Quite simple and easy to find, right?

About Yum Extender, yes, it's a good app but what is your problem with PackageKit? No problem here.

[bobcollard]

SIGH, Linuxviolin playing Same old song, Keep it Simple System (not Stupid). Last word again?

[linuxviolin]

SIGH, Linuxviolin playing Same old song, Keep it Simple System (not Stupid). Last word again?

Hey, this is just discussion, (exchange of) information etc. But perhaps that is beyond your comprehension...

[bobcollard]

I prefer Sabayon, a version of Gentoo. It's (different) too. Rolling upgrades like Debian, but, easier to install than Fedora or Debian.

Sabayon? I prefer Calculate Linux much more. About Sabayon, ""slow like molasses" is a perfect description of Sabayon's Entropy/Spritz. But Sabayon's DVD is bloated, Calculate's is not." And Gentoo is not really "easier" than Ubuntu/Mint, Debian, Fedora/CentOS or other to use/maintain...

I didn't start the dispute, you did, see above. You have a right to an opinion the same as I do. When you begin to put down someone's opinions then things get dirty. End of "Discussion."

[linuxviolin]

You have a right to an opinion the same as I do.

Absolutely.

When you begin to put down someone's opinions then things get dirty.

What? I simply expressed my views, I've not insulted you, or anything... You like Sabayon, good, I don't like it and prefer Calculate Linux, can I say it? Thank you very much. If you felt "attacked", I'm sorry, this was not my intention.

But this is not very important, so, as you said, end of discussion.

[bobcollard]

Whatever