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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:20 pm
by marcus0263
Yeah the FUD spread by Microsoft is funny. It all comes down to the fact that from the core the Microsoft OS is flawed, the concept of userland is so foreign to Microsoft. Users have WAY to much control and access to the kernel it's pathetic, can we say DirectX, ActiveX, etc.. Just browsing a webpage will infect your MS Windows is PATHETIC!

Users in Unix and Unix like OS's do not have write permissions to core OS functions unless they are root. The modular design is the beauty, were the monolithic approach of Microsoft is a security nightmare. I spent a few years with one of the Major Anti-Virus Companies, Visual Basic aka VB is known as "Virus Basic". Then let's take a look at Sony BMG's Rootkit fiasco, just putting a music CD in as a user will install a root kit?????? Won't happen with Unix or Unix like OS like Linux. Am I saying impossible, no nothing is impossible, if someone knows something like Assembler they might be able to come up with something. But it sure won't be a punk script kiddy like in the Microsoft world. Microsoft makes things just too damn easy to write virus's, worms, trojans, rootkits, etc.....

So what machines are part of the Spammers Botnets, sure arn't any *nix machines.

Prime example of the sloppiness of Microsoft, how often do you have to defrag?

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:33 pm
by carlos
Wow that was some serious windozes smack-down. All excellent points. I'm like Kieth in that I've been a lifetime Windows user. But thankfully having worked on the web for most of my career I've been exposed to unix like systems but for what ever reason, I always felt that it wasn't great for what I needed as a desktop, and maybe back then that was the truth. Not so in the last few years.

Marcus pretty much nailed it, there is alot of FUD out there and its a matter of us new users getting more educated and comfortable with linux. I also use OSX which I think is better then Windows, but its more of the same in that they lock you down in proprietary hell. Hence my jump in linux.

As you can tell I'm into using multimedia apps, the transition hasn't been too bad, I'm finding some of the open source apps to be superior to what is considered to be the industry standard. Unfortunately linux still needs to advance further when it comes to multimedia applications, but I feel that will only be a matter of time. But, that's just me nit picking from my limited experience.

So far linux is completely great and does most of everything I need. Bear with us Windows converts it will take some time and persistence on our part to shake years of Windows usage.

I recommend any lwindoze convert read this article Linux is NOT windows (http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm). Its helped me get my mind wrapped around the way things get done in linux. Anyway knowledge is power, so thanks for helping out us beginners. Just be gentle and keep fighting the good fight.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:06 am
by marcus0263
Carlos, a very good article the sum's it up very well. People who complain that Linux doesn't act like Window's at first were funny, now they just irritate me. Linux has endless features that you can customize to your own liking, that's what attracts people to it, but then for some reason they not only think but demand that it does it completely for them. If someone wants to learn I'll do what I can for them and I myself learn from others. That's what makes it such a great hobby and intriguing.

So it all boils down to what I myself tell others. You want something that you can download, install and have the tools to pretty much do what ever you want to do, go with Linux. But be prepared to spend a little bit of time learning the "Right" way, if not buy a Mac. I just choose not to get boxed in and have things like DRM, EULA's etc. tell me what I can do with my own stuff.



Cheers

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:11 am
by nick
"If OS X or Linux was installed on 90% of the worlds desktop PC's, the virus and spyware writers would concentrate their efforts on these OS's"

That is pure FUD from M$, the hackers would always target the least secure sytem,why,because they can.

If there where 98 xyxxy Banks in a town with watertight security, and 2 aaabc banks in the same town with lousy security, which banks, pro-rata would get robbed more often?


As for Vista
"Very Severe Hole" In Vista UAC Design"
http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/02/13/1922237.shtml
:) :) :)
Nick

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:35 pm
by clem
Don't viruses write viruses as well ? I thought these stuff were smart! :)