"Thanks to growing user-interest, it looks like there is going to be a GNOME Shell flavor of Ubuntu to satisfy those who aren't fond of the direction of Canonical's Unity desktop."
Therefore, with so many distros having picked up the XFCE, I again found myself stunned with disbelief that you weren’t backing this one at all! Even crazier is that you picked the LXDE distro, which is comparably lightweight but has fewer right-click options, a weaker file browser, and won’t even display file info when the mouse hovers over a file icon.
You guys tried to save the old GNOME as MATE, which seems to have worked for some, but I can’t understand why you had to piggy-back it on GNOME-3, which you say you hate as much as myself.
MATE has nothing to do with gnome 3... Do you mean included it with Gnome 3? That was because MATE wasn't stable at that point. With Mint 13, there will be a seperate MATE edition.
As it turns out, my problems were just beginning - MATE was so fiercely at war with something on my computer, and probably multiple items of hardware and or software on my computer - the result was zero to negligible performance with very high fan speed.
If you had read the release notes you would know that MATE wasn't stable...
Sorry Mint, but I’m afraid you blew it on your main edition- but because I care (I never liked the monopolistic arrogance of Ubuntu, and Linux will never improve for the user without serious competition)
I have to agree that Mint 12 was more of a transition release, but hopefully Mint 13 will be much better (with Cinnamon).
Number one is you failed to distance yourself from a UI which now only lets down the bulk of the users who try it. GNOME 3 is really that bad, and can hardly fulfill the GNU team delusion of a newbie magnet if the newbies were using windows or Mac. This could have been your moment to really set yourself apart from Ubuntu and other distros by taking a stand for quality and full functionality in your own, which is enhanced by your ongoing efforts to produce greater out-of-box functionality and a more intuitive UI setup. I see you have really been trying, but WHAT are you trying to do? If you had had assembled your own UI from the bones of Gnome 2, or better dropped it entirely to focus on not-as-bad KDE, LXDE, or ass-kicker XFCE (now works exactly, maybe better than old Gnome), you would be free of a very heavy albatross.
Mint tried to make Gnome Shell better and, with Cinnamon, IMO succeeded. Many people don't like Gnome Shell, and Mint did differentiate itself from Ubuntu. They're trying to use new technology (Gnome 3) and give it a traditional interface (Gnome 2-like). Mint has a KDE edition, an LXDE edition, and an Xfce edition, It also has MATE which is Gnome 2.
Therefore, with so many distros having picked up the XFCE, I again found myself stunned with disbelief that you weren’t backing this one at all! Even crazier is that you picked the LXDE distro, which is comparably lightweight but has fewer right-click options, a weaker file browser, and won’t even display file info when the mouse hovers over a file icon. See http://mygeekopinions.blogspot.com/2011 ... -xfce.html
There's a Mint Xfce version. Also, Clem is currently considering dropping the Ubuntu-based Fluxbox and LXDE versions to make an Ubuntu release of Xfce along with the Debian one.
It has all the functionality of old GNOME and more, including the desktop information balloons (I just wish somebody would develop a file browser which does this, without being heavy or horribly cluttered, until then I’ll have to stick with Thunar). Launchers launch easily on the desktop, and it even has panels with widget options which set exactly like the dead Gnome.
While I really like Xfce and find it a lightweight Gnome alternative, it's definitely not as feature rich as Gnome. Have you ever done a "sudo apt-get install xfce4" in Ubuntu? Do you know what that comes up with? It takes a very long time to get Xfce to the way it is in Xubuntu. Also, thunar doesn't have the functionality of nautilus (network sharing, for example).
Sorry I didn’t try your LXDE, but I really don’t get paid to test the distros. An unflattering and recent report, the known fact of XFCE’s longer development time and consistent user enthusiasm, plus knowing that the answers for my questions can be easily resolved through much relevant tutorial information was more than enough reason for me to switch distros. I believe the lesson learned from the tale of two distros is that it’s not all in the technical, and sometimes a strong business angle actually benefits the users as well.
Wait, so earlier when you were bashing LXDE for having less options and being overall worse, you hadn't even tried it? You just assumed based on what you heard? It's ok that you didn't try it, but don't insult it when you haven't used it.
Oh, and one more thing - and I know this can only sound mean, but do you really think the bulk of your users prefer the snob appeal of “elegance” over professionalism and functionality? I never expected nor wanted the equivalent of turn-down service with mints on the pillows. What I got from Xubuntu today is not elegant, but beautiful, functional, polished, and a lot more than I did expect without bulking up my system resources. That is what wins me over. Given the trend with GNOME and the childish KDE, I didn’t expect ever to see a UI which would make me no longer miss Gnome, but so it happened today.
You're picking on word choice in a slogan? All I can say is try Cinnamon, try LXDE, try KDE, and if you still feel that Xubuntu is best, use it. Cinnamon and KDE are pretty darn functional and professional.
Peace, and goodbye until you get behind a decent UI, such as XFCE!
That won't happen as the main edition (again, try Cinnamon), but it will be an option. If you like Xubuntu better, than use it.
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