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My user experience.

Postby gdarroch on Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:33 pm

http://xkcd.com/349/

I will never use Linux again. So long, and thanks for all the fish*.

*In lieu of fish, kind advice was also appreciated.
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Re: My user experience.

Postby karlchen on Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:28 am

Hello, gdarroch.

I will never use Linux again. [...] *In lieu of fish, kind advice was also appreciated.

Well, sorry to read you decided to give up on Linux Mint. But what could we do?
OK, I found the threads that you started about some typical problems which do affect some Linux Mint users.
As far as I can tell by quickly scanning through them none of your problems seems to have been solved, which is a pity.

Before I switched from Windows to Ubuntu 9.10 (Mint is heavily based on Ubuntu), I had tried out at minimum a dozen live systems in the course of two years (Ubuntu, OpenSuse).
Most of the live systems did not survive the trial phase because they refused to support my network setup without any big hassle.
Ubuntu 9.10 was the first live system that simply co-operated with my hardware at that time. So this was the first Linux edition which ever made its way onto my harddisk.

Without having read your threads carefully I tend to suspect that your experience might have been less frustrating in case you had tested several live systems carefully (Ubuntu, Mint, OpenSuse, Fedora, Knoppix) before installing on the harddisk. If the live system exhibits problems in supporting your hardware it is pretty likely that installing it on your machine will bring not too much joy.
Exception:
The release notes tell you that there are known problems and also tell you how to solve them. Example of such a situation: Mint 13 - Known Issues.

Anyway, it is too late, your decision has been taken. So I wish you will have more fun with whatever your operating system will be.

Cheers,
Karl
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Re: My user experience.

Postby Flemur on Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:41 pm

Mint 16/Xfce/fluxbox, Manjaro/fluxbox, LMDE/MATE
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Re: My user experience.

Postby igor83 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:15 pm

karlchen wrote:Hello, gdarroch.

I will never use Linux again. [...] *In lieu of fish, kind advice was also appreciated.

Well, sorry to read you decided to give up on Linux Mint. But what could we do?
OK, I found the threads that you started about some typical problems which do affect some Linux Mint users.
As far as I can tell by quickly scanning through them none of your problems seems to have been solved, which is a pity.

Before I switched from Windows to Ubuntu 9.10 (Mint is heavily based on Ubuntu), I had tried out at minimum a dozen live systems in the course of two years (Ubuntu, OpenSuse).
Most of the live systems did not survive the trial phase because they refused to support my network setup without any big hassle.
Ubuntu 9.10 was the first live system that simply co-operated with my hardware at that time. So this was the first Linux edition which ever made its way onto my harddisk.

Without having read your threads carefully I tend to suspect that your experience might have been less frustrating in case you had tested several live systems carefully (Ubuntu, Mint, OpenSuse, Fedora, Knoppix) before installing on the harddisk. If the live system exhibits problems in supporting your hardware it is pretty likely that installing it on your machine will bring not too much joy.
Exception:
The release notes tell you that there are known problems and also tell you how to solve them. Example of such a situation: Mint 13 - Known Issues.

Anyway, it is too late, your decision has been taken. So I wish you will have more fun with whatever your operating system will be.

Cheers,
Karl


You were way too kind to reply to that post. Not even a post, just a link to a web site I never heard of with who knows what content. I didn't click. Then a snarky one-liner dissing Linux. I'd say Linux community is better off without such a one. I switched to Linux Mint (mostly) from Windows XP and I have to say I have NO REGRETS AT ALL, in fact my only regret, if it can be termed a regret, is I didn't install Linux Mint like five years ago. Instead I struggled within Windows 2000, and then Windows XP's limitations, soldiering on year after year, dealing with all kinds of things from malware to crashes to having to reinstall, reinstall, reinstall. Linux Mint is a breath of fresh air to anyone with XP, and I can see a strong argument even for Windows 7 and 8 users. I prefer Linux Mint XFCE and Linux Mint KDE myself, but even default Linux Mint is super.
My desktop runs 64-bit Kubuntu 13.04, my htpc runs 64-bit Linux Mint Nadia Xfce, my answering machine runs 64-bit windows 7, and my laptop runs 64-bit Linux Mint Nadia KDE. Each seems suited to its purpose.
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Re: My user experience.

Postby gdarroch on Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:07 pm

There's been a lot of kindness here. The comment I gave is the most positive I could have posted given the stress, hardship, and financial difficulties my involvement with this project has given me. I hope LM XX is plug and play, but I'll let other newbs beta-test this product.

I did post a long and detailed reply to the other comments, but I lost it (it's rather hard tapping out things on a mobile phone). I'll just say that I ran Ubuntu exclusively on my laptop 2006-2009. Please don't assume things.
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Re: My user experience.

Postby igor83 on Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:30 am

gdarroch wrote:There's been a lot of kindness here. The comment I gave is the most positive I could have posted given the stress, hardship, and financial difficulties my involvement with this project has given me. I hope LM XX is plug and play, but I'll let other newbs beta-test this product.

I did post a long and detailed reply to the other comments, but I lost it (it's rather hard tapping out things on a mobile phone). I'll just say that I ran Ubuntu exclusively on my laptop 2006-2009. Please don't assume things.


If you will never use Linux again, why are you here?

You have not contributed any information to our community, other than vague complaints of stress and hardship. I do not click on random links in forums, so I don't know what you posted on the other site, but based on the little preview here, I'm not at all tempted to find out.

I'll have you know LM XX is indeed plug and play and works great, and I have 2 machines running LM right now, a little used $95 Thinkpad made in 2008, and a little ~$350 desktop built around an AMD E-350 apu.

When I've encountered trouble has been running Windows and running Linux distros other than Linux Mint. Right now I have a directory on my Windows drive that can't be deleted, and why? Because Windows is stupid and does not know how to delete it. When Windows learns how to program the delete command, let me know.
My desktop runs 64-bit Kubuntu 13.04, my htpc runs 64-bit Linux Mint Nadia Xfce, my answering machine runs 64-bit windows 7, and my laptop runs 64-bit Linux Mint Nadia KDE. Each seems suited to its purpose.
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Re: My user experience.

Postby Orbmiser on Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:47 pm

gdarroch wrote:There's been a lot of kindness here. The comment I gave is the most positive I could have posted given the stress, hardship, and financial difficulties my involvement with this project has given me. I hope LM XX is plug and play, but I'll let other newbs beta-test this product.

I did post a long and detailed reply to the other comments, but I lost it (it's rather hard tapping out things on a mobile phone). I'll just say that I ran Ubuntu exclusively on my laptop 2006-2009. Please don't assume things.


Well sorry for troubles. But to make out Linux Mint is some kind of loose not ready for prime time beta kind of distro.
Just shows your lack of understanding that many times the issues are the type of hardware you are using and not the distro.
And if you bothered to look at the numbers. You would see you are a part of the minority and not the majority which are problem free.

I have installed Linux Mint 14,15 Cinnamon,Mate & KDE. And all installed without issue or problems.
Been rock solid and stable for me. And that goes for about a dozen other distro's ubuntu or debian based.

I also come from back in 2006-08 era of Ubuntu. And just recently back my 1st year. And without a doubt Linux has come a long way in making more hardware compatible out of the box.

These problems are Not Linux issues but hardware/driver issues. Like UFEI or broadcom wifi or wanting to run proprietary graphics drivers.
All these are not Linux issues. Linux tries real hard to include them and make them problem free. But there are just so many hands that are oberwhelmed by new chipsets with multiple modifications specific for the manufacture every 6-18 months.

So blaming Linux or Mint is the Shallow Blame Easy way out.
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Re: My user experience.

Postby DrHu on Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:33 pm

Oky-Doky

No point in arguing for Linux then, I guess
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Re: My user experience.

Postby SallyK on Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:58 pm

I can't speak for the original poster's problems with Linux Mint, but if you haven't read the xkcd webcomic you are really missing out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xkcd
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Re: My user experience.

Postby lexon on Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:23 pm

Even though Mint is not as good as it use to be, still better and more secure than Windows. Mint seems to have peaked around Mint 9 or Mint 11. Very Slowly getting slower and a little more difficult to use.
I started using Mint with Mint 6, shortly after it was released.

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